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Benjamin Kaynine

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A Labour Council was ready to award a contract with a potential worth more than £100 million to Carillion only a week ago. Leeds City Council chose it as the preferred bidder to carry out the first stage of work on the East Leeds Orbital Road last Monday , despite Labour attacking the Government for awarding contracts after it issued a profit warning . Corbyn and his Trade Union puppet masters have remained silent on the decision made by Leeds City Council . The stench of hypocrisy is overpowering .
Corbyn doesn't have to say anything on the subject because he's made Labour's position clear. The collapse of the construction and outsourcing giant Carillion is a textbook example of the Tory failed privatisation ideology in action. Outsourcing will be brought back in house. It cannot come soon enough.
 

Benjamin Kaynine

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Smash the communist led Trade Unions and damn the consequences , yes Maggie did a sterling job and the country and the generations that followed should be eternally grateful . Moderate Trade Unions led by reasonable leaders , like the ones in Germany for example, who behaved sensibly in the 1970's whilst Scargill and Co were running amok , can make a great contribution to the prosperity of the country and their members. It's a pity many UK Trade Union leaders don't get the connection and just play politics e.g, Corbyn's puppet master , Red Ken
German trade unions are more powerful than ours, their members better paid and the economy is more successful. The three are linked. Thatcher's war on trade unions was a war on the working class people of this country. But you voted for her so presumably you agree with her actions.

Chris
 

Drog

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German trade unions are more powerful than ours, their members better paid and the economy is more successful. The three are linked. Thatcher's war on trade unions was a war on the working class people of this country. But you voted for her so presumably you agree with her actions.

Chris
Simple task for you John. Define the term 'working class'.
 

Drog

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Corbyn doesn't have to say anything on the subject because he's made Labour's position clear. The collapse of the construction and outsourcing giant Carillion is a textbook example of the Tory failed privatisation ideology in action. Outsourcing will be brought back in house. It cannot come soon enough.
Who in the Shadow Cabinet would possess the specialist knowledge and experience of industry to oversee an outfit like Carillion? Today's career politicians are just what it says on the tin and have little to no experience of life outside of education and politics. And that probably covers all political parties.
 
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ABBEY

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Corbyn doesn't have to say anything on the subject because he's made Labour's position clear. The collapse of the construction and outsourcing giant Carillion is a textbook example of the Tory failed privatisation ideology in action. Outsourcing will be brought back in house. It cannot come soon enough.
thing is the lads who worked for carrillion telent knew it was going belly up 3 years ago . My mate got out and got on at our place.
 

Drog

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Fair play to him. Foresight is always better than hindsight Abbs.
 

OnlyOneTugay

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Corbyn doesn't have to say anything on the subject because he's made Labour's position clear.
Classic Corbyn , he makes his party position "clear" and then his party, in this case Leeds Labour Council , does the opposite by giving Carillion preferred bidder status and then silence prevails. Just like his party's position is " clear " on selective schools , but some on his front bench do the opposite and send their kids to selective schools and silence prevails again. It's just the stench of socialist hypocrisy that fills the vacuum

.......and there’s more

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....my-corbyn-labour-bbc-newsnight-tony-blair/amp
 
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OnlyOneTugay

Prediction Champion 2019 & 2020
German trade unions are more powerful than ours, their members better paid and the economy is more successful. The three are linked.
The difference between the UK and German trade unions is like the difference between chalk and cheese . In the late 1960s and 1970s, when the communist led UK Trade Unions were fighting a battle to overturn democracy as well as demanding bigger and bigger pay rises , Germany's corporatist model explicitly bound up workers’ future with the country’s export economy. Their Unions saw the sense in moderate pay demands ( memories of rampant inflation and taking wages home in wheelbarrows in the 1920s are ingrained in the German psyche ) and kept out of politics. The German trade unions put their interests behind the interests of the companies and as a result their members benefited and that model continues to this day .

Having said that German union membership has fallen dramatically since the 1980s and they have less influence on the German economy. There are around 7 million trade union members but this includes a substantial number of retirees, now 20% of the total and growing.
 
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Alan

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1/ Let's be clear. I hate the bitch Thatcher because she put a lot of my friends and colleagues out of work and closed an excellent company. We made a lot of parts for tanks, torpedo tubes and depth sounding devices for the naval frigates and submarines. Ding dong the witch is dead. I don't care if it benefitted the south east. It crucified the north but she didn't care as long as her precious London area benefitted and she won her personal battle with the trade union leaders.
2/ The coal still in the ground will never be used. That opportunity is now lost as by the time we could get the pits back into working condition the world will have found a new source of power and coal will be redundant. It's started already.
 

Drog

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1. If that was what you manufactured then it's likely that your business was already doomed Al. https://www.maritime-executive.com/editorials/the-decline-of-the-royal-navy
Like many other members it appears that the UK is happy to rely on the massive US contributions to NATO (which Trump IS addressing:() instead of contributing our proper share of the burden. It's now 30 years since Mrs Thatcher resigned and successive govts have simply accelerated the decline of the armed forces and reduced the %age of gdp spending on defence. I suppose in a nutshell if you wanted a strong navy and armed forces then the NHS, the EU budget and the Benefits agencies would have had to tighten their belts and be prioritised less. Problem is the voice of the Armed Forces is a lot quieter than the strident voices of the above and a lot less politically sensitive too as the others are on the BBC and all over the press daily with their tales of woe and begging bowls held out. The strength of the Armed Forces used to be a vote winner when the wartime years were fresh in peoples memories (as was producing our own food btw ) but not any more.

2. Can only be speculation on your behalf Al. Who knows given the economic future of fuels whether or not procedures will be discovered to burn coal with minimal emissions?
 

Alan

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Try anything to win an argument won't you Drog ? We could have survived a gradual withdrawal. No wonder you like the witch. You have a lot in common. I hate her and you won't change that. I'm not prepared to discuss it further.
 

Drog

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I'm just trying to interpret the facts logically and not trying to re-write the history books Al.
 

Benjamin Kaynine

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thing is the lads who worked for carrillion telent knew it was going belly up 3 years ago . My mate got out and got on at our place.
I bet the lads on the ground knew where the company was going wrong and probably told the management but the managers took no notice.

The lessons of Carllion and many others is that outsourcing is dead. There are plenty of others, as I'm sure you're well aware; the East Coast Rail franchise, G4S at the Olympics, G4S and their juvenile detention centres, G4S and their immigration centres, G4S and there electronic-tagging fraud (in fact, maybe I should have just left it at G4S)

Atos and their appalling handling of work capability assessments, Serco and their creative accounting with prison transfers that drew in the Serious Fraud Office, arrests at A4e after they diddled the taxpayer. Any Private Eye subscriber will be treated to a new sordid story almost every edition about Capita's handling of public sector contracts.

Thatcher's great neoliberal con is unwinding.

Chris
 

Benjamin Kaynine

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1/ Let's be clear. I hate the bitch Thatcher because she put a lot of my friends and colleagues out of work and closed an excellent company. We made a lot of parts for tanks, torpedo tubes and depth sounding devices for the naval frigates and submarines. Ding dong the witch is dead. I don't care if it benefitted the south east. It crucified the north but she didn't care as long as her precious London area benefitted and she won her personal battle with the trade union leaders.
2/ The coal still in the ground will never be used. That opportunity is now lost as by the time we could get the pits back into working condition the world will have found a new source of power and coal will be redundant. It's started already.
Agree with everything you say but you appear to be a Conservative voter ?
 

Steve Moss

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Agree with everything you say but you appear to be a Conservative voter ?
My take is that Alan is like many other voters. He despises the political class that shut down UK manufacturing in order to expand the socialist state and/or advance the corporate interests of multi-national companies. It should be about the working and middle class, not the bankers at one end or the non-workers (i.e. those who depend on government assistance and don’t work) on the other, and it is definetly not about immigrants (who should conform to our expectations, not vice-versa). It is a very rational position to take.

From that perspective, the problem with most political parties, both in both the UK and USA, is that they focus on international corporate interests, expand government to the benefit of those who do not produce (and whom they like to label ‘working class’), and ignore the financial and cultural interests of their working citizenry for the benefit of those who desire to have or provide cheap labor. The conservatives at least give lip service to addressing those issues, at least in part, while liberals have sacrificed their constituency on the altar of international socialism.
 
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