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OnlyOneTugay
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What ever poison they are fed and what ever videos they watch someone needs to get the message across they are onto a loser. What have IS achieved so far apart from lots of their 'soliders' dead, lots of innocents dead, land taken then taken back in Iraq etc..What they are aiming for is not possible and will only bring more misery on them.
Nothing has changed since they formed their group, the only surprise is the number of people that sigh up to them. Who would be in favour of giving them an island somewhere, anyone can move there but no one leaves. Live how they like, don't bother us, just know that US, Russian, Indian, UK, Pakistan and so on all have nukes pointing right at them.
Nothing has changed since they formed their group, the only surprise is the number of people that sigh up to them. Who would be in favour of giving them an island somewhere, anyone can move there but no one leaves. Live how they like, don't bother us, just know that US, Russian, Indian, UK, Pakistan and so on all have nukes pointing right at them.
blueandwhitehalves
Senior Member
Suppose thats the danger of such an ideology. They don't care about winning in theirs, their friends or their family's lifetimes. All those lives are valid sacrifices to the cause anyway. They just care about winning eventually, and who says they won't?
20 years ago Islamic terror couldn't almost conquer 2 countries, couldn't strike western targets at will, didn't have thousands of supporters amongst countries throughout the west (and indeed most of the world), wasn't funded en masse by wealthy individuals from within the west's 2 biggest Muslim allies, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.
One of the more intelligent brfcs liberals debunked my theory that England would be more than 50% Muslim by 2050, using an independent population stats think tank. I was quite impressed (on the quiet!
) but the same think tank did however say there would be 1 billion more Muslims on the planet by that time. Even if 0.01% are terrorists and 0.1% are supporters (about the proportion of existing Muslims who are), 30 years from now they'll have 100,000 more soldiers and 1 million more supporters than they have today.
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yoda
Senior Member
Revoke his British passport
But that's what they want. Sit with Allah and have 70 virgins to themselves. Goodness only knows why the silly fookers believe all that bollocks but they do. I rem the Vikings were happy to die just so long as they had a sword in their hand.... mind you they were primitives back then whilst this lot are unable to grasp the truth. Mighty odd cos like that nutjob Jihadi Jack the 'truth' is what they claim to be seeking.
The longer the civilised world turns a blind eye the worse it will get.Suppose thats the danger of such an ideology. They don't care about winning in theirs, their friends or their family's lifetimes. All those lives are valid sacrifices to the cause anyway. They just care about winning eventually, and who says they won't?
20 years ago Islamic terror couldn't almost conquer 2 countries, couldn't strike western targets at will, didn't have thousands of supporters amongst countries throughout the west (and indeed most of the world), wasn't funded en masse by wealthy individuals from within the west's 2 biggest Muslim allies, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.
One of the more intelligent brfcs liberals debunked my theory that England would be more than 50% Muslim by 2050, using an independent population stats think tank. I was quite impressed (on the quiet!
This virgin thing is weird. Most of them are married, if I told the wife that's it I'm off to get hold of umpteen virgins the response would not be good in façt she might speed my exit.
AllRoverAsia
Senior Member
Get the French to go get him.
Indeed........ but your wife wasn't forced into an arranged marriage with some weirdy beardy that she had never met was she?
Erm...work out whether he's innocent or not? Have to say though if you choose to go to Iraq/Syria for whatever reason then live with the potential consequences. I remember some blaming the government over that Bigley case but he was there for the money from what I recall. Certainly not saying he deserved what he got but it could have easily been avoided.
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ABBEY
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A police officer stabbed in the neck in Michigan...being reported as terrorism .
This one
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40360428
Amazed the suspect is in custody and not shot dead.
Steve Moss
Senior Member
In the case of non-citizens I think this is fair. They have no right to be in another country, after all. In the case of citizens, however, I think due process needs to be adhered to.
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ABBEY
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I repeat for ALL suspected terrorists!
Try telling that to the friends an relatives of the kids killed in Manchester recently Steve. Salman Abedi was a British national! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/26/everything-know-manchester-suicide-bomber-salman-abedi/
How about the 4 bombers in 7/7/05? 52 killed and 700 seriously wounded. 33 of those buggers were British nationals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings.
You need to travel to the UK Steve. We have a large muslim population centered in small enclaves across the country. Many of whom have no intention to integrate and many of whom have been radicalised into a state of hatred and resentment for their 'mother' country. They don't consider themselves as UK Nationals, British or English. They just adhere to the unwritten code of being a muslim 'brother'. Religion coming a long way before nationalism. The fact that so many of the perpetrators of terrorist incidents in the UK and across Europe are 'nationals' supersedes any requirement for the due process to which you refer. Protecting UK citizens is first duty of any politician and failing to do so is the most contemptible sin that one can be guilty of.
Steve Moss
Senior Member
I agree that many of the terrorists are citizens. That doesn't change the fact that if they are citizens and are entitled to all the rights and duties of citizenship.
There are two easy solutions to what you are describing:
1. Legislation to the effect that any citizens who speaks or acts in anyway clearly demonstrating an adherence or loyalty to a foreign entity shall be stripped of citizenship. So if the idiots want to waive an ISIS flag, let them. Strip them of citizenship and then do what you will.
2. If they are on a watch list, but they don't speak or act in a way which indicates a loyalty to a foreign power, then draft them into your military and station them for an indefinite period on a remote Pacific Island. After all, military service is a duty of citizenship when called upon.
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Something to ponder (we used to have a few remote Islands halfway around the world for such purposes but now they just come back to occasionally beat us at cricket and rugby) however a change in the laws covering terrorism and treason and detentions for such to give the security forces much more scope to protect UK citizens from such threats would be easier wouldn't it?
) however a change in the laws covering terrorism and treason and detentions for such to give the security forces much more scope to protect UK citizens from such threats would be easier wouldn't it?