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Time may prove me wrong but the fact that I and no doubt countless thousands had to google his name to find out who he is, his age and where he plays suggests that the fee is exorbitant. In 4 or 5 years if he still has anything about him he'll be in his prime and be free to move for nothing. Glad it's not my money they are spewing.
blueandwhitehalves
Senior Member
Suppose it's all relative, if you're worth billions then £180m maybe doesn't seem too bad. I don't really mind what PSG are doing to be honest, breaks the monotony of the same cabal dominating the Champions League.
In terms of the ethics of such money being thrown around, its just a free market economy really. If we weren't all on here talking about football then it's likely football wouldn't be popular enough to sustain such investment. The only non-hypocritical way I can see to complain about the money in football is having nothing to do with the sport.
In terms of the ethics of such money being thrown around, its just a free market economy really. If we weren't all on here talking about football then it's likely football wouldn't be popular enough to sustain such investment. The only non-hypocritical way I can see to complain about the money in football is having nothing to do with the sport.
So he's a bit of a bargain then?
Might not be so bad except one is no good is it? A team needs a squad of 35 minimum, plus Manager and coaching team plus all the other necessary infrastructure. At the rate of football inflation just players alone might add up to 35 x 180,000,000 = 6.3 billion! Each player being able to walk away for nothing in 3/4 /5 years time! Have any wages been included yet?
Roman Abromovic is reportedly worth 7 Billion (minus record divorce settlement going through currently) so even he can't live with this. No wonder he appears to have hidden the cheque book at Stamford Bridge!
*Speaking of 'Roman'..... Maybe an interesting comparison is as the Roman Empire crumbled the gladiatorial spectacles staged in the various Colossiums became ever bigger, more lavish and extravagant as the politicians strove to divert attention away from the impending disaster.
Not sure this empire will crumble anytime soon...though have to note I've always preferred Barcelona. Who led the teams out tonight anyway...the hamburglar?
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...ose-mourinho-european-champions-a3606801.html
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...ose-mourinho-european-champions-a3606801.html
blueandwhitehalves
Senior Member
You're ignoring all the income there Drog. How much will shirt sales alone make PSG? Add up all the thousands of ways that the super clubs have of making money (match ticket sales is a tiny fraction to them) and, along with money recouped selling players on, it's not gonna bankrupt the very wealthy owners.
Man Utd are worth about £3.5 billion and make over £500m a year. That's what the likes of PSG and City are aiming at. Some might say it's obscene but trace it right back and the root cause is popularity among fans. As I said, if football didn't have fans passionate enough to care how much PSG's signings cost, they wouldn't cost that.
Man Utd are worth about £3.5 billion and make over £500m a year. That's what the likes of PSG and City are aiming at. Some might say it's obscene but trace it right back and the root cause is popularity among fans. As I said, if football didn't have fans passionate enough to care how much PSG's signings cost, they wouldn't cost that.
I already touched on shirt sales here.... http://roversfans.com/index.php?threads/financial-unfair-play-fup.105/#post-12641
I still can't make it all add up given those approximations.
I still can't make it all add up given those approximations.
Majiball
Senior Member
But PSG are already paying players silly money who are already on their books and have had ffp issues. 200m out in one lump sum, plus 50m in wages, god knows how much for the agent and of course his dad always gets a slice on top, don't forget his charity as well ala barca move. PSG have just spunked 300m easily and I don't see how any club even a top prem club could afford that. I hate the way football has gone since TV money became massive, no more promoted teams leading the prem, never again will an ajax or benfica be euro champs. Money has taken the sport out of football and fans love it.....
Majiball
Senior Member
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/psg-salaries/
And everyone of those salaries is after tax, what is Fartrances highest tax level? 50 percent? That's some serious cash:
2.45M a week
128.7M a year
And then double the lot to cover tax, what's uniteds total wage bill some 203M (inc tax). I have no clue how they have done it, some dodgy loans via the qatar holding company for the country itself or some such. TBF I also fail to understand how City can spunk 200M and also still be chasing more players, I guess they also got some dodgy loan from the King of whereverland...
And everyone of those salaries is after tax, what is Fartrances highest tax level? 50 percent? That's some serious cash:
2.45M a week
128.7M a year
And then double the lot to cover tax, what's uniteds total wage bill some 203M (inc tax). I have no clue how they have done it, some dodgy loans via the qatar holding company for the country itself or some such. TBF I also fail to understand how City can spunk 200M and also still be chasing more players, I guess they also got some dodgy loan from the King of whereverland...
|You are old enough to rem football before the abolishment of the maximum wage Al. Go back to the 50's and 60's and see how open and competitive the old 1st Div was.
1947 Liverpool
1948 Arsenal
1949 *Portsmouth
1950 -Portsmouth
1951 *Tottenham Hostpur
1952 Manchester United
1953 Arsenal
1954 *Wolverhampton Wanderers
1955 *Chelsea
1956 Manchester United
1957 Manchester United
1958 Wolverhampton Wanderers
1959 -Wolverhampton Wanderers
1960 -Burnley
1961 -Tottenham Hotspur
1962 *-Ipswich Town
1963 Everton
1964 Liverpool
1965 Manchester United
1966 Liverpool
1967 Manchester United
1968 Manchester City
1969 *Leeds United
1970 Everton
1971 Arsenal
1972 *Derby County
13 different Champions in 25 years! (18 different FA Cup Winners too). I know wage capping goes against EU rules but we are coming out aren't we? I couldn't give a stuff about English clubs doing well or even competing in European football if that is the only trade off for more ven competition here. Lets be honest we won the World Cup back then too so all the changes since haven't done much for the actual quality of our players has it? In fact quite the opposite imo. If it means a number leaving these shores to earn their money abroad then so be it. Surely there must be some mileage in the basis of FFP Al?
1947 Liverpool
1948 Arsenal
1949 *Portsmouth
1950 -Portsmouth
1951 *Tottenham Hostpur
1952 Manchester United
1953 Arsenal
1954 *Wolverhampton Wanderers
1955 *Chelsea
1956 Manchester United
1957 Manchester United
1958 Wolverhampton Wanderers
1959 -Wolverhampton Wanderers
1960 -Burnley
1961 -Tottenham Hotspur
1962 *-Ipswich Town
1963 Everton
1964 Liverpool
1965 Manchester United
1966 Liverpool
1967 Manchester United
1968 Manchester City
1969 *Leeds United
1970 Everton
1971 Arsenal
1972 *Derby County
13 different Champions in 25 years! (18 different FA Cup Winners too). I know wage capping goes against EU rules but we are coming out aren't we? I couldn't give a stuff about English clubs doing well or even competing in European football if that is the only trade off for more ven competition here. Lets be honest we won the World Cup back then too so all the changes since haven't done much for the actual quality of our players has it? In fact quite the opposite imo. If it means a number leaving these shores to earn their money abroad then so be it. Surely there must be some mileage in the basis of FFP Al?
I'm with you on the reintroduction of the maximum wage Gord but we all know that FFP just means that the smaller clubs can no longer compete and the big clubs will always stay at the top. How can that be fair?
Now it appears that the big clubs are ignoring it (PSG) and nobody appears to do anything about it. Why than should the smaller clubs conform? Time to scrap it altogether and return to a level playing field in my opinion and a return to the maximum wage would be the icing on the cake.
Now it appears that the big clubs are ignoring it (PSG) and nobody appears to do anything about it. Why than should the smaller clubs conform? Time to scrap it altogether and return to a level playing field in my opinion and a return to the maximum wage would be the icing on the cake.
Marlow Rover
Senior Member
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/manc...cial-like-eric-cantona-ryan-giggs-david-moyes
Looks like Moyes agrees with me.
Majiball
Senior Member
In regards wages, I quite like the American system of a max on the total wages allowed, 50m or so. You can pay what you want to individuals but collectively cannot exceed the limit. Still means you can have 'superstars', but it means less for the rest. It would also stop top clubs hoarding the best players ala madrid etc and the talent gets spread out better. Trouble is football is more business than sport these days, it's a pity as all that TV money could make massive differences to our game from top to toe.
Rubbish. If any club should be against FUP its this one. Anyone supporting it has a problem with Jack Walker as far as I'm concerned. Dave Whelan in particular should be absolutely ashamed of himself. Not to mention he's a bloody hypocrite.
Wage ceiling is different. In the 90's Rovers had a wage ceiling as did United until they gave in to Roy Keane's demands. Certainly it should be brought down but unfortunately other industries have inflated wages as well. Football is a different industry to Hollywood as an example. I'm all for a wage ceiling (transfer fees I'm more undecided though the spending recently is insane even taking inflation into account) as long as there's still enough incentive for benefactor types to make a difference. Clubs have to be allowed the chance to progress. Otherwise what's the damn point?
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You wouldn't say that if you had experienced a truly competetive 1st Division. When I was young PNE, BRFC, Burnley, Bolton, Blackpool all played in the top division and their supporters had real heroes to worship. Forget the likes of Simon Garner and Roger Jones those clubs supporters had the likes of Finney, Duggy, JimmyMac, Lofthouse and Matthews to cheer on every other Sat. Nowadays every one of those players would have been enticed away to a bigger club and the supporters denied the chance to see their heroes in their colours. I doubt that you'll ever be able to comprehend the difference but support without hope is shit in comparison Vinjay.
Jack Walker was a one off, other clubs haven't had one and have struggled. We just got lucky. Born a few miles down any main road and Burnley / PNE / Bolton would have won the Prem etc and we'd still be spending our time yo yoing between the lower divisions and a ramshackle stadium with smelly urinals and one end (at least) shut for ever.
Are you sure you are not talking about cross purposes. The truly competitive first division was in the days of the maximum wage not FFP. That's a totally different concept.
So Man City and Chelsea didn't have major takeovers as the catalyst towards becoming champions? Even Leicester had a Premier League platform which may not have been the case without King Power.
I wouldn't have a problem with a more competitive division which was closer to equality overall. However for me takeovers are the main and likeliest catalyst for change. I always said it was the most important issue at this club (whether successful or a disaster and unfortunately it turned out to be the latter) and was proved right.
FUP is despicable. Any Rovers fan should agree with that even if they feel an owner like Jack is unlikely. Yes I know there were differences with his local ties and lifelong fan status but I didn't care where new owners came from if they boosted ambitions. Obviously a billionaire benefactor would have been the best case scenario but ultimately I wanted someone who gave a toss about the club. The trustees couldn't have cared less and Jack's family didn't do a damn thing except enable it. I knew when Chelsea were taken over that it would be the start of a running trend and more overseas (and to an extent domestic) billionaires would follow. It wasn't long after that I saw through the trustees. It was 2004 when I realised exactly what they were doing. If not for the Duff money in all likelihood it would have been a year earlier. They just waited until a period of time had passed following Jack's death and somehow brainwashed the fans into accepting a total starvation of funds. The Walker family no doubt encouraged it (possibly using threats of legal action if the trustees objected) and certainly didn't do anything to prevent it.
I wouldn't have a problem with a more competitive division which was closer to equality overall. However for me takeovers are the main and likeliest catalyst for change. I always said it was the most important issue at this club (whether successful or a disaster and unfortunately it turned out to be the latter) and was proved right.
FUP is despicable. Any Rovers fan should agree with that even if they feel an owner like Jack is unlikely. Yes I know there were differences with his local ties and lifelong fan status but I didn't care where new owners came from if they boosted ambitions. Obviously a billionaire benefactor would have been the best case scenario but ultimately I wanted someone who gave a toss about the club. The trustees couldn't have cared less and Jack's family didn't do a damn thing except enable it. I knew when Chelsea were taken over that it would be the start of a running trend and more overseas (and to an extent domestic) billionaires would follow. It wasn't long after that I saw through the trustees. It was 2004 when I realised exactly what they were doing. If not for the Duff money in all likelihood it would have been a year earlier. They just waited until a period of time had passed following Jack's death and somehow brainwashed the fans into accepting a total starvation of funds. The Walker family no doubt encouraged it (possibly using threats of legal action if the trustees objected) and certainly didn't do anything to prevent it.
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