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Vinjay

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Heavy handed it may be (initially wrote a longer rant) but there absolutely needs to be a thread on this with the CORRECT name. So here it is...
 
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The whole thing is just wrong in principle and that's all there is to it. Relaxed regulations, 3 year windows, etc aren't acceptable the whole damn thing should be scrapped. That should have happened after Platini was exposed for corruption as the head of a corrupt organisation. I wish every club would break it just can't bring myself to feel anger towards the likes of QPR, etc who some on here felt were not sufficiently punished. I'm looking at this not just from a Rovers perspective (though that would be enough on its own) but the wider implications for the whole of football.

Good article here on how Everton are planning to crack the "top 4" while acknowledging UEFA's corrupt policies makes it harder.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/30/inside-story-everton-planning-crack-top-four/
 
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Didn't think UEFA could top FUP but forcing Dortmund to play last night takes their "fair play" to a new level. Dortmund should have refused and if they faced sanctions UEFA would be battered from all directions.
 
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Didn't make a lot of difference to the poppy situation in the UK did it?
 
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Vinjay said:
Saw how poor Villa were 9 days ago and is it really going to get better soon? Xia claims budget for next season severely hampered by the corrupt FUP.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...ton-villa-cash-freeze-told-must-sell-can-buy/
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I've no sympathy with Villa. Anyone with that value in a squad should get promoted and if not then they should get sacked.
David Brown closed the purse strings on Souness after years of various managers wasting money and the result was a better team all round, and one that got promoted to the Prem.
 
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Well there's a difference between lack of sympathy for wasting money and a lack of sympathy for being subjected to crooked rules. Souness didn't have "purse strings" cut to such an extent until trustees/family felt Jack had been dead for long enough to get away with it. Plus promotion didn't have a bloody thing to do with the trustees do not take credit away from what was Jack's template for the season. Didn't excuse the abysmal funding Hughes, Allardyce, etc received.

Its pointless debating this with you though. I get the impression Howard Walker could piss on his Dad's grave and some people wouldn't badmouth him.
 
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It's about time that the FFP thing was scrapped. It's instigator has been disgraced and when a club is forced to sell it's best player to Scum United to keep within the rules it has gone way too far.
 
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Alan said:
It's about time that the FUP thing was scrapped. It's instigator has been disgraced and when a club is forced to sell it's best player to Scum United to keep within the rules it has gone way too far.
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Exactly why scum supported it in the first place.
 
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Say what you want about FUP but somehow the figures involved in the transfers and remunerations of footballers is oscene and tbh completely crazy. Winning the Prem / FA Cup, qualifying for the dreary Champions League just isn't lucrative enough to fund all that nonsense is it?
Unbelievably Liverpool's Coutinho is the latest to be spoken of in terms of over 100m! I've no idea how the economics of football can work. I know it's been said many times but shelling out over 100 million (double that for Neymar) for the latest Carlos Kickaball will just turn many of the public away from the sport.
They bang on about shirt sales but can anyone imagine there are 2 million people around the globe who want the latest Barca / Real / PSG shirt with little Coutinho's name on the back when Messi / Ronaldo etc etc are already at the club? Sure there may be an increasing number in Asia these days but most of those buggers'll buy cheap fakes won't they?
The only good thing about all this is that in the case of PSG, Citeh, Arsenal etc Europe is at least getting some of the money back that we spewed on petrol for the past century.
 
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Time a football contract worked both ways. If Liverpool decided that Coutinho wasn't much good and sacked him they'd have to pay his contract up or at least be forced to negotiate a severance fee. Can't for the life of me understand why it doesn't work the other way around. Coutinho leaving can be seen as damaging Liverpools business therefore if he wants to leave then the only way is for him to buy his contract out and pay Liverpool some sort of compensation. Footballers sign contracts knowing that they will only ever work one way.
 
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Barcelona will be getting a real professional there. Perhaps they should force him to visit all the local schools/hospitals and try to shame him into dropping his strike threats. Then again knowing Liverpool fans they will probably say he's disrespecting the fans who died in Sheffield. Any reason to repeatedly bring that up :rolleyes:

Guess it depends how stubborn Liverpool want to be if he gets this move. Personally I probably would teach him a lesson (as I'm a stubborn bastard albeit it not on the level of Venkys!) but then you might put other players off from joining. Then again why sign players who want to use the club as a stepping stone? Rather insulting too as Liverpool aren't a minor club.

Of course there is quite a big irony in this Theno given Liverpool's pursuit of Van Dijk. Their former striker John Aldridge even encouraged him to go on strike which it appears he effectively has. Liverpool fans seem to be showing some hypocrisy in their reactions to those respective players. Liverpool fans hypocrites? Never! Then again look across Stanley Park it could be worse.
 
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Vinjay said:
Barcelona will be getting a real professional there. Perhaps they should force him to visit all the local schools/hospitals and try to shame him into dropping his strike threats. Then again knowing Liverpool fans they will probably say he's disrespecting the fans who died in Sheffield. Any reason to repeatedly bring that up :rolleyes:

Guess it depends how stubborn Liverpool want to be if he gets this move. Personally I probably would teach him a lesson (as I'm a stubborn bastard albeit it not on the level of Venkys!) but then you might put other players off from joining. Then again why sign players who want to use the club as a stepping stone? Rather insulting too as Liverpool aren't a minor club.

Of course there is quite a big irony in this Theno given Liverpool's pursuit of Van Dijk. Their former striker John Aldridge even encouraged him to go on strike which it appears he effectively has. Liverpool fans seem to be showing some hypocrisy in their reactions to those respective players. Liverpool fans hypocrites? Never! Then again look across Stanley Park it could be worse.
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Every club is the same. It's dog eat dog in the pecking order and made worse by Freedom of Contract. You can rail against Van Dijk but were we any different when Jack had an open cheque book for a few years? No doubt Southampton fans were well pissed when Shearer left but we didn't care about that did we? Same for almost all that team.

tbh I welcome any player who comes to BRFC and views it as a stepping stone. The desire to get to the top by excelling shows ambition and a level of commitment. Much better to see someone like Duffy or Samba come and go than be stuck with another Ward or Kilgallon surely? How about applying the same theory to a few others like Bellamy / Brown? Bentley / Feeney?
It is frequently disappointing but I have no problem with players wanting to leave to better their careers but I don't like seeing the selling club disadvantaged by agent / buying club shennanigins. That's when it's wrong.
 
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Someone who disrespects Jack as much as Duffy did is never welcome here. Liverpool shouldn't be a stepping stone for anyone while they have aspirations to win major honours. Of course players sometimes move abroad (and no club regardless of money is ever likely to stop that happening from time to time) but at this rate they will be turning into Barcelona's feeder club.

Coutinho is showing no professionalism.
 
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Vinjay said:
Someone who disrespects Jack as much as Duffy did is never welcome here. Liverpool shouldn't be a stepping stone for anyone while they have aspirations to win major honours. Of course players sometimes move abroad (and no club regardless of money is ever likely to stop that happening from time to time) but at this rate they will be turning into Barcelona's feeder club.

Coutinho is showing no professionalism.
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On the contrary he is showing ultimate professionalism. What he is not showing is loyalty and gratitude.

Anyway might it not be said that Barca have turned into PSG's feeder club? Wasn't too long since that their arch enemies Real persuaded Louis Figo to jump ship! As I say it's dog eat dog out there.
 
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