London Bridge + South London Incidents (Terrorism)

[Steve Moss]

I ran across this story. Huge props to this Millwall supporter. A few more like him and those knife wielding fanatics would have been stopped cold a lot sooner.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ner-football-fan-lion-of-london-a7775246.html

 

[Drog]

If corbyn and his chums like that poisonous bitch shami chakrabbarti get into power I'd expect that racist bigoted millwall chap to be brought before the beak.

 

[Drog]

How many silly bastrds think more police numbers are the answer? That's like taking a paracetamol to cure a hangover....... Best not to drink that extra bottle of wine in the first place. Prevention always being better than cure.
Another old saying that could be used as the opening line of a new human rights act is 'Better safe than sorry'.

 

[Gav]

If corbyn and his chums like that poisonous bitch shami chakrabbarti get into power I'd expect that racist bigoted millwall chap to be brought before the beak.

Gordon you do have a wonderful turn of phrase, of late it seems to be reserved for women in power:

Diane Abbott
Shami Chakrabbarti
Nicola Sturgeon
Emily Thornberry

and thats just off the top of my head!

Do you feel threatened by women in power? or just the ones from a certain political persuasion that you have no control over?

 

[Gav]

How many silly bastrds think more police numbers are the answer?
Prevention always being better than cure.

Cutting 20,000 police certainly won't help the situation Gordon, most observers agree community policing is where part of the war should be waged, prevention, and those numbers have been decimated by May since 2010.

 

[Otto Mann]

Cutting 20,000 police certainly won't help the situation Gordon, most observers agree community policing is where part of the war should be waged, prevention, and those numbers have been decimated by May since 2010.

The thing is Gav,the extra 20,000 would have not be able to prevent any of the attacks. The role of community policing doesn't work that way. You simply cannot legislate for these kinds of attack. lone wolf suicide bombers tend not to announce their actions before hand. Come to that, none of these scumbags do. As for the racist/sexist card being played towards those who criticise Abbott, that's just a tool used to silence them and is a tactic used often by the likes of Jiz, Pratman and Paul.

 

[Gav]

The thing is Gav,the extra 20,000 would have not be able to prevent any of the attacks. The role of community policing doesn't work that way. You simply cannot legislate for these kinds of attack. lone wolf suicide bombers tend not to announce their actions before hand. Come to that, none of these scumbags do. As for the racist/sexist card being played towards those who criticise Abbott, that's just a tool used to silence them and is a tactic used often by the likes of Jiz, Pratman and Paul.

I think you're wrong on policing Otto, it's clear that the 3 on Saturday made no secret of the fact they hated everything this country stands for. The mosques, friends and neighbours all reported possible radicalisation and nothing was done, because the numbers of potential suspects is massive. Your local community police would have been all over that situation had the numbers not been decimated by May and her government.

It's not the only factor at play here, but it's a major one in my book.

 

[Otto Mann]

Whilst I understand the point you are making, please bear in mind 20,000 bobbies equates to just one extra per 3000 members of Joe Public. As I said, it would have made no difference.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

I watched Shami Chakrabarti, the human rights lawyer being interviewed on last night's Newsnight . Obviously she believes the Human Rights Act is sacrosanct ( the taxpayer probably funds all her cases) and meets any suggestion to amend it with smug pious disdain.

I'd scrap the whole Act . We managed perfectly well without it before it was passed into law in 1998. We had and have adequate laws that more than defend our human rights if we need them defending . Has anyone on here used it to defend their human rights ? Probably not, but the Telegraph knows a few :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...t-has-helped-28-terrorists-to-stay-in-UK.html

It's not the lack of police that led to the atrocities , it was the Islamist scum that perpetrated them assisted by an Act that defends a terrorist's and/or extremist's human rights rather than the rights of a victim blown to pieces in Manchester or stabbed to death in London.

Whilst I'm on with Ms Chakrabarti , like all Corbyn's apostles she's against Theresa May's plans to bring back grammar schools and describes them as a form of “segregation”. All well and good I guess and very new socialist , until you find out it doesn't apply to her own life. Her own 14-year-old son goes to Dulwich College, a highly selective independent school in London, where fees start at £18,000 a year.

Labour has been conning the working classes for generations , but this lot take it to a whole new level.

 

[yoda]

Champagne socialists, theres' a lot of it about.

The poorly heads have been taking the mick for years using that very act supported by the ECJ and the luvvie lawyers stealing a living on the teat of public, yes our money

 

[Alan]

Gordon you do have a wonderful turn of phrase, of late it seems to be reserved for women in power:

Diane Abbott
Shami Chakrabbarti
Nicola Sturgeon
Emily Thornberry

and thats just off the top of my head!

Do you feel threatened by women in power? or just the ones from a certain political persuasion that you have no control over?

They actually all deserve his descriptions don't you think and he has done similar for men (Corbyn for instance) so there's no need to cherry pick the women!

 

[Alan]

Cutting 20,000 police certainly won't help the situation Gordon, most observers agree community policing is where part of the war should be waged, prevention, and those numbers have been decimated by May since 2010.

The police can't do much until an attack happens. The best way is to offer the suspects to choose either deportation or incarceration. As has been said, prevention is better than cure.

 

[Gav]

The police can't do much until an attack happens.

Sorry Al but that simply isn't true, we've hundreds of foiled attacks across the planet before they actually happen.

Community policing shouldn't be under estimated, and you can bet your bottom dollar the Torres will be loading the numbers if they get back in on Friday which tells its own story.

 

[Gav]

They actually all deserve his descriptions don't you think and he has done similar for men (Corbyn for instance) so there's no need to cherry pick the women!

No I don't think no, it's not a school playground Al, I've said my piece now.

 

[chor808]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/07/ilford-arrest-in-london-bridge-attack-investigation
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ridge-jihadi-STOPPED-Stansted-allowed-in.html

Major mistakes have been made here, all on the Tory watch with May as Home Sec. People are dead, someone needs to answer to this.

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

I ran across this story. Huge props to this Millwall supporter. A few more like him and those knife wielding fanatics would have been stopped cold a lot sooner.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ner-football-fan-lion-of-london-a7775246.html

I came across this, what an absolute legend. Taking on 3 men armed with foot-long knives with nothing but your bare fists is the stuff of heroic fantasy novels (with emphasis on the fantasy). For all the bad press Millwall fans get, I do think to exhibit that kind of courage you've got to have a very deeply entrenched sense of pride in who you are.

 

[Otto Mann]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/07/ilford-arrest-in-london-bridge-attack-investigation
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ridge-jihadi-STOPPED-Stansted-allowed-in.html

Major mistakes have been made here, all on the Tory watch with May as Home Sec. People are dead, someone needs to answer to this.

You're absolutely right, someone does need to answer for it and that entity is Daesh. We're living in unprecedented times now.Not since WWII have we seen such attacks on UK and European soil (And yes I'm including the troubles o'er the water). Now is not the time for a witch hunt, we need to deal with the root cause, demonising individuals is not the answer.

 

[chor808]

You're absolutely right, someone does need to answer for it and that entity is Daesh. We're living in unprecedented times now.Not since WWII have we seen such attacks on UK and European soil (And yes I'm including the troubles o'er the water). Now is not the time for a witch hunt, we need to deal with the root cause, demonising individuals is not the answer.

Not so sure. At least one sould have been stopped at the border, who knows he may have encouraged the others to carry out the attack. He should not have passed the border, we can't keep not holding people accountable. If Labour were in power I bet a lot of people would be all over it calling them out for failure.

The fact we are living in unprecedented times means we have to make sure we get the basics right, all of this scum was reported more than once, one even said 'hey I'm a terrorist' yet still they walked free and into the country. It is not a witch hunt but people are asking to be elected on their track record on security and who can keep us safe, it does not look good for May does it?

 

[Gav]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/07/ilford-arrest-in-london-bridge-attack-investigation
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ridge-jihadi-STOPPED-Stansted-allowed-in.html

Major mistakes have been made here, all on the Tory watch with May as Home Sec. People are dead, someone needs to answer to this.

The government of the day are responsible for keeping the country safe. The attacks and major failings are under the Tory watch, May failed as Home Secretary and wont want to continue to fail as PM, expect heads to roll.

 

[Alan]

No I don't think no, it's not a school playground Al, I've said my piece now.

And I don't agree with what you said.
It's you doing the school playground ground cherry picking not me and not Gord.
The authorities may have foiled a few attacks but have they incarcerated or deported the terrorists? If not they are still free to try again and may succeed next time. What's the good of a watch list if they are left free to do as they please? More determined prevention is necessary.