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Drog

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The natives are getting restless and will be clamouring for Parish to get Big Sam back before long. He'll be able to write his own cheque!
 

Vinjay

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Knew that would be your immediate response. You will probably say De Boer should have signed Lowe next.

The man retired what could they do? If Allardyce did return it should be on the same financial terms since he's the one who chose to leave. Palace shouldn't whore themselves out for him. I'm still surprised he didn't take a lucrative managerial job in Middle East after his England firing. I guess he wanted to leave English football on somewhat better terms. He's already said he isn't interested in returning to Palace and typically its ego related. You might think he's relegation teflon man but he even admitted he would be bound to fail at some point and does not want to lose that record.

I see he's criticised them for the style De Boer has tried to implement. That's the philosophy De Boer has with his background at Ajax (and most coaches associated with that club have the same beliefs) while Allardyce was a lower league defensive clogger in his career. Granted he's right that Palace need to sort out their defensive issues but does that have to be at the expense of a passing game? Clubs like Swansea have managed it without being relegated. Personally I like fast, flowing aggressive (but attractive) football not passing in triangles for the sake of it so there has to be a balance.

As for international football I made a point about Graham Taylor's style not long ago and he failed with England. It probably would have been the same with Allardyce. OK Greece won Euro 2004 with a style of play that made Allardyce's look exotic but usually its one of the strongest nations who wins. Even if he had won something with England in my opinion it would have been a lesser achievement than winning a major league title. I still don't know how the hell Leicester managed their win but that's really an exception. An average manager can certainly win a tournament but very rarely can they win a major league.
 
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Drog

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Knew that would be your immediate response. You will probably say De Boer should have signed Lowe next.

The man retired what could they do? If Allardyce did return it should be on the same financial terms since he's the one who chose to leave. Palace shouldn't whore themselves out for him. I'm still surprised he didn't take a lucrative managerial job in Middle East after his England firing. I guess he wanted to leave English football on somewhat better terms. He's already said he isn't interested in returning to Palace and typically its ego related. You might think he's relegation teflon man but he even admitted he would be bound to fail at some point and does not want to lose that record.

I see he's criticised them for the style De Boer has tried to implement. That's the philosophy De Boer has with his background at Ajax (and most coaches associated with that club have the same beliefs) while Allardyce was a lower league defensive clogger in his career. Granted he's right that Palace need to sort out their defensive issues but does that have to be at the expense of a passing game? Clubs like Swansea have managed it without being relegated. Personally I like fast, flowing aggressive (but attractive) football not passing in triangles for the sake of it so there has to be a balance.

As for international football I made a point about Graham Taylor's style not long ago and he failed with England. It probably would have been the same with Allardyce. OK Greece won Euro 2004 with a style of play that made Allardyce's look exotic but usually its one of the strongest nations who wins. Even if he had won something with England in my opinion it would have been a lesser achievement than winning a major league title. I still don't know how the hell Leicester managed their win but that's really an exception. An average manager can certainly win a tournament but very rarely can they win a major league.
There has to be a mix in any team. Allardyce mixed it up when he interpreted the Bosman Freedom of Contract ruling beforee anyone else and managed to get the likes of Okocha, Djorkaef and the excellent Campo in his Bolton team. He'd likely have done the same here if the Trust were not planning their exit strategy. Hughes was doing a 'Sam' here but was driven out when he saw the writing on the wall.
As for lower league defensive clogger? Who cares? We are talking managerial ability here. Check out the playing careers of the Prems most successful managers in terms of achievement and managerial longevity namely Ferguson, Wenger, Mourhino, Allardyce, Moyes and Redknapp. Neither of that lot broke any pots as players did they? In fact I'd go so far as to say a great playing career can frequently be a managerial handicap.
 

Vinjay

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Well De Boer has now been sacked. Looks like Hodgson will be his replacement. Managed to save Fulham a few years ago and seems to do better at clubs with less pressure.
 
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Drog

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Must say I'd not be best suited if I was a Palace supporter.
 

blueandwhitehalves

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De Boer was a terrible appointment and Hodgson is just as bad. It amazes me how often boards will hire managers who've been a failure in their previous job. If you can't manage elsewhere, you definitely can't manage in the Premiership.
 

Vinjay

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If Palace and Parrish had any sense they'd have bundled Dyche into their coach on Sunday and abducted him.
Thought when Parrish started defending him (and also himself I guess) on twitter he would probably be gone within a day.

Hodgson isn't an awful choice and he's a better manager than Allardyce in my view. Like other failed England managers people hold that against him. I think it could very much be a West Brom/Fulham scenario here as well.

Its only September anyway. Would be very underwhelmed with Dyche in their position. Granted some of it is because I don't like his appearance (Billy Davies being another he looks like he's chomping on a wasps nest or swallowed sour milk) but with EPL money they could attract a good calibre of international coach. I know you won't see any logic in that reasoning (though you keep touting Lancashire United from a marketing standpoint so you should see where I'm coming from) but the "face of the club" is important in my view. When Rovers hired Allardyce I was extremely angered about Mancini being turned down. Hiring some fat guy with a Northern image wasn't what I wanted though he did a stable job as expected.
 
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Drog

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Hodgson isn't an awful choice and he's a better manager than Allardyce in my view.

Its only September anyway. Would be very underwhelmed with Dyche in their position. Granted some of it is because I don't like his appearance (Billy Davies being another he looks like he's chomping on a wasps nest or swallowed sour milk) but with EPL money they could attract a good calibre of international coach.
In order Vinjay.....
1. Wash out your mouth with soap. I'd have Big Sam back in an instant over Hodgson. tbh if Woy even dreamed that he was a better manager thna Allardyce he'd better wake up and apologise!

2. Underwhelmed with Dyche? All logic and reasoning went right out of the window there. He's done and is continuing to do a fantastic job with Burnley. Defying gravity with their resources and wage limit would be an apt description. I'd go so far as to say that Dyche is currently the best English manager.

3. I though De Boer was considered a good calibre international coach.
 

Vinjay

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In order Vinjay.....
1. Wash out your mouth with soap. I'd have Big Sam back in an instant over Hodgson. tbh if Woy even dreamed that he was a better manager thna Allardyce he'd better wake up and apologise!

2. Underwhelmed with Dyche? All logic and reasoning went right out of the window there. He's done and is continuing to do a fantastic job with Burnley. Defying gravity with their resources and wage limit would be an apt description. I'd go so far as to say that Dyche is currently the best English manager.

3. I though De Boer was considered a good calibre international coach.
1. People who have been around as long as Brian Glanville side with me on Allardyce v Hodgson. While it didn't end well (an appalling injury situation didn't help though I'll agree his signings were poor besides Henchoz) the good stuff initially was way beyond anything Allardyce has ever dreamed of. I also felt Hodgson may have been more suited to international football with his coaching skills but not having to sign players or work with them daily. If Capello couldn't succeed with England then who the hell can? Do you think there's a case to be made that people have unrealistic expectations for the national side? Not that winning a knockout tournament is beyond England but people hype it up so much and people fall for it every time.

2. He's suited to boring clubs like Burnley. Not that Palace are captivating but at least they don't have one of the most dreary club names in football. Best English manager? Whoopie do. What about that guy at Bournemouth?

3. Well Inter felt he was good enough for them so I can see why Palace did. Its so small minded to think Palace should have had Dyche as top of their list just because he's English. Not to mention you never know who could have applied. Palace were linked with Mancini though he's since joined Zenit so that probably won't be the case this time. Would you seriously go for Dyche over him? :laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:. I don't know why Mancini would have even considered them anyway but if he was interested then other exceptional candidates probably applied too.
 

OnlyOneTugay

Prediction Champion 2019 & 2020
Palace should pay what it takes to get Sean Dyche . He needs to move up the ladder . I see him as a future England manager . Joining a bigger club than Burnley , one with potential , ambition and a decent fan base when they get it right , lifts him up a rung or two
 

Vinjay

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Palace should pay what it takes to get Sean Dyche I see him as a future England manager.
Why should they go for someone who wants to use them as a stepping stone for England? Its not the holy grail. Its a job with little appreciation (even if England won a tournament the manager/players would be berated as soon as they lose the next game) and inflated levels of pressure. If a manager wanted to go abroad and manage Barcelona or Real Madrid (lol at the thought of them appointing Dyche but I'm talking about English managers in general) that's one thing but why England? Why does it absolutely have to got for an English candidate? That's small minded its not 1996 with "Arsene who?" ignorance.

I'm not saying Hodgson should be their choice. They should be looking for someone a bit younger but they can entice more appealing managers than Dyche. His face alone is enough to put off sponsors.

Don't you think Howe is on the same level? I'm not saying he's better or worse though he seems to embrace attractive football and has a better image than Dyche in my view. I know other people on here want Dyche to leave Burnley (personally I'm not bothered what he does) but so many seem on Rovers forums seem to think he's the best English manager. Howe has an equally strong case in my view its not his fault Bournemouth have given him more money than Burnley have with Dyche. I'm not saying Palace should have gone for him either. They blatantly have more ambition than Burnley (though to be fair Burnley's owners aren't as rich as others and their dreary name is enough to put any takeover bidders off) but Bournemouth are probably somewhere inbetween. So there's no certainty he would want to leave Bournemouth for Palace. Looked at their spending this past summer and there's not much difference anyway.
 
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Drog

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Howe v Dyche? What can't speak can't lie. Early days but Burnley's record is an undefeated 2-1-1 whilst Bournemouths is 0-0-4. On paper Burnley have one of the weakest squads in the Prem.... they've just sold their two best players too but still they are 7th in the table. So what do you think the difference is?
Ginger hair and a gravelly voice disguise one of the best manager's in the country imo.
 

Vinjay

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Well I would probably try to look more deeply into it than a one month period. To be honest I don't follow either Dyche or Howe closely (or much football at all for that matter) but they both have kept their promoted clubs in the top flight for more than 1 season now.
 

OnlyOneTugay

Prediction Champion 2019 & 2020
Allardyce would probably have won the winnable game , that Hodgson just lost.

Dyche , who Id have appointed , has already won at Chelsea and drawn at Tottenham & Liverpool.

I guess time will tell if Hodgson is the right appointment but his words are hardly inspirational .
 

Vinjay

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Allardyce would have done this, Allardyce would have done that. Some people go on about him like he was a loss on a par with Jack Walker. How do you know Dyche would have even wanted the job at the present time? Maybe in the summer perhaps but not at the moment. He might not see Palace as his next step either. As for Hodgson's he's not a bad manager for failing with England even Capello did. He failed at Rovers and Liverpool but Inter wasn't a disaster hence why Jack hired him. With Fulham and WBA he proved himself a perfectly capable manager. Dyche is younger and that's about it. Still think Howe at Bournemouth comes across better than Dyche not that I watch either that closely.

Allardyce may have beaten Southampton and then again he might not have. One thing he was known to be very negative about however were games like the ones Palace have coming up.
 

Vinjay

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United's favourite whore rolls over for them again. :mad:

Booed Lukaku too conveniently forgetting Rooney's presence when it suits them. No wonder football fans are treated like bloody sheep by scum like Venkys and countless others. Its because of idiots like Everton fans. Can't take them seriously.
 
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