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[OnlyOneTugay]

Disasters happen under socialism too .

The Chernobyl disaster, also referred to as the Chernobyl accident, was a catastrophic nuclear accident. It occurred on 26 April 1986 in the No.4 light water graphite moderated reactorat the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plantnear Pripyat, in what was then part of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republicof the Soviet Union (USSR).

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

How about Three Mile Island - did that happen under socialism too ? There's also a huge difference between nuclear accidents and wilful, ideological neglect of public property and safety

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

Yes Three Mile Island too , which exactly illustrates my point that disasters happen in all sorts of different countries under all sorts of political regimes .

The " elf and safety culture" you refer to certainly wasn't watered down during Margaret the Great's term of office . I remember major new legislation such as the the COSHH Regs 1988, Noise at Work Regs 1989 and the Electricity at Work Regs 1989 being introduced . I'm not aware of any changes or cuts made to the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 either .

If you can let me know of any H & S regulations that were " cut " during the period 1979 - 1990 due to this ideological fixation you mention and that we can blame the Iron Lady for , I'm all ears.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

You're missing the point. If local authority budgets are cut by 40%, as they have been as a result of Tory austerity since 2010, and fire service cuts have resulted in 11,000 fewer firefighters, then there is likely to be a price paid in public safety.

There's also evidence that local authority cuts have led to fewer building control inspectors and fewer planning inspectors. These terrible consequences of deregulation and cutting corners have basically stemmed from a disregard for working-class communities.

Thatcher declared war on this country's working class, and her thinking has dominated Tory policy ever since. Grenfell Tower was one of the consequences of such policies.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

Your post comes straight from the far left Corbynistas and in particular Clive Lewis MP who tweeted “Burn neoliberalism, not people” There's nothing like a leftie to take political advantage of a tragedy. When he was asked just what he meant, he explained that his ‘agenda’ is to ‘end not just the current government but Thatcherite economic dogma. You could have written it for him !

Those who died at Grenfell were certainly victims of a dysfunctional system , but one built up under Labour, Conservative and coalition governments. All of which Mr Lewis and Corbyn's cadre probably regard as neoliberal (ie non-socialist rule )

The 2005 Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order introduced under Blair’s government shifted the responsibility for fire inspection from the fire brigade to the local council. This ended the practice of routine fire inspections in industry too. Poor legislation in my view. However Grenfell was inspected at least 16 times over two years while the £10m refurbishment project was under way, but the checks failed to spot that the building was clad in material effectively banned by the government. Perhaps it should be a case of better Council building inspectors rather than more.

The Iron Lady declared war on the far left and communist trade union leaders , not working class communities. Manufacturing declined at a far greater rate under Blair than it did under Margaret Thatcher. Despite this, Britain has enjoyed 40 years of relative economic success ( your words not mine ), largely built on her foundations . We now have record employment levels, the lowest unemployment level in 4 decades , record low interest rates and low inflation.

If you lived through it ,who in his right mind would want to return to the failed socialism of the 1970s ? We'll get it with bells on if Corbyn's anti -semite Labour Party ever get in.

I'll ask again , if you can let me know of any H & S regulations that were " cut " during the period 1979 - 1990 due to this ideological fixation you mention and that we can blame the Iron Lady for , I'm all ears.

 

[Drog]

You're missing the point. If local authority budgets are cut by 40%, as they have been as a result of Tory austerity since 2010, and fire service cuts have resulted in 11,000 fewer firefighters, then there is likely to be a price paid in public safety.

There's also evidence that local authority cuts have led to fewer building control inspectors and fewer planning inspectors. These terrible consequences of deregulation and cutting corners have basically stemmed from a disregard for working-class communities.

Thatcher declared war on this country's working class, and her thinking has dominated Tory policy ever since. Grenfell Tower was one of the consequences of such policies.

I believe it's you that is missing the point... again. The politics are irrelevant as far as tragic accidents are concerned.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3232090.stm

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

Your post comes straight from the far left Corbynistas and in particular Clive Lewis MP who tweeted “Burn neoliberalism, not people” There's nothing like a leftie to take political advantage of a tragedy. When he was asked just what he meant, he explained that his ‘agenda’ is to ‘end not just the current government but Thatcherite economic dogma..

Clive Lewis is spot on. Neoliberalism and Thatcherism is finished.

Time and again countries that embrace the neoliberal pseudo-economic ideology end up with crony capitalism and a massive upwards redistribution of wealth, where the poor and ordinary suffer austerity, wage repression, and revocation of labour rights.

In other words, Great Britain 1979-2017.

This country needs radical change. The next election provides a golden opportunity for a fresh start.

 

[ABBEY]

It definitely needs change but terrorist love ain't the change needed . There's nothing Tory shit or JC shite.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

The problem is Abbey, policy is being dictated by a hard-right bunch of nutters on the Tory backbenches who don't care about the long-term damage they are doing to this country as long as they secure exit from the EU at any cost. The Tories need kicking out as soon as possible and if that brings a Corbyn government then Daily Mail readers have only themselves to blame.

 

[chor808]

The problem is Abbey, policy is being dictated by a hard-right bunch of nutters on the Tory backbenches who don't care about the long-term damage they are doing to this country as long as they secure exit from the EU at any cost. The Tories need kicking out as soon as possible and if that brings a Corbyn government then Daily Mail readers have only themselves to blame.

You mean that exit from the EU we voted for? Or do you want the hard line nutters on the left to keep us in the EU? The other thread is spot on, an EU for trade is a great idea, why do we need another parliment, MEP, courts, hangers on etc for a trace zone? The EU is massive waste of money I'm not sure why you cannot see that. Staying in would be the biggest disaster for the UK as we would be the wipping boy and cash cow for the EU for the rest of time.

Remember the EU mantra, if people vote against what we want make them vote again they are wrong. The way people like Brown and Chukka are spouting off makes me sick, we knew what we voted for get on with it.

 

[chor808]

Good news for Uber drivers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41940018

And right too.

 

[Alan]

You mean that exit from the EU we voted for? Or do you want the hard line nutters on the left to keep us in the EU? The other thread is spot on, an EU for trade is a great idea, why do we need another parliment, MEP, courts, hangers on etc for a trace zone? The EU is massive waste of money I'm not sure why you cannot see that. Staying in would be the biggest disaster for the UK as we would be the wipping boy and cash cow for the EU for the rest of time.

Remember the EU mantra, if people vote against what we want make them vote again they are wrong. The way people like Brown and Chukka are spouting off makes me sick, we knew what we voted for get on with it.

I've found that you waste your time answering anything Benny posts. He's not interested in discussion. He just wants to post his point and has no interest in your replies.

 

[chor808]

I've found that you waste your time answering anything Benny posts. He's not interested in discussion. He just wants to post his point and has no interest in your replies.

I know I just listened to the BBC this morning so blood pressure was up! So insulting having MP's and failed MP's telling us we don't know what we voted for.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

Clive Lewis is spot on. Neoliberalism and Thatcherism is finished.

Time and again countries that embrace the neoliberal pseudo-economic ideology end up with crony capitalism and a massive upwards redistribution of wealth, where the poor and ordinary suffer austerity, wage repression, and revocation of labour rights.

In other words, Great Britain 1979-2017.

This country needs radical change. The next election provides a golden opportunity for a fresh start.

You seem to imply that neoliberalism in 1979 - 2017 Great Britain has been an unmitigated disaster . So how does this stack up with your claim in an earlier post that we’ve had 40 years of economic success ?

Still waiting on details of Maggie’s cuts to Health and Safety regulation . Any progress ? Hope it’s not a case of you posting regurgitated Guardian fake news.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

Good news for Uber drivers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41940018

And right too.

Yes, agreed. Uber, like most of the "gig" economy companies, exploit ordinary people. Any legislation that protects and enhances workers rights is welcome

 

[yoda]

Yes, agreed. Uber, like most of the "gig" economy companies, exploit ordinary people. Any legislation that protects and enhances workers rights is welcome

And how does being in the undemocratic 4th Reich do that ?

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

Yes, agreed. Uber, like most of the "gig" economy companies, exploit ordinary people. Any legislation that protects and enhances workers rights is welcome

You also have to take into account the other side of the coin . Uber has become popular with working people in big cities due to its flexibility & cheaper fares . I've caught black cabs in London and the fares they levy mean it's ordinary working people ( their customers ) that are exploited

Having said that in my experience , Uber drivers provide a great service so there is a balance to be struck . There has always been a grey area between the genuinely self employed , workers ( entitled to limited employment rights ) and those working under a contract of employment ( employees ) . Many Uber drivers may want to remain as self employed

Just heard that Uber intend to appeal the decision .

 

[ABBEY]

The problem is Abbey, policy is being dictated by a hard-right bunch of nutters on the Tory backbenches who don't care about the long-term damage they are doing to this country as long as they secure exit from the EU at any cost. The Tories need kicking out as soon as possible and if that brings a Corbyn government then Daily Mail readers have only themselves to blame.

We don't need a coward and terrorist sympathiser

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

You also have to take into account the other side of the coin . Uber has become popular with working people in big cities due to its flexibility & cheaper fares . I've caught black cabs in London and the fares they levy mean it's ordinary working people ( their customers ) that are exploited

Having said that in my experience , Uber drivers provide a great service so there is a balance to be struck . There has always been a grey area between the genuinely self employed , workers ( entitled to limited employment rights ) and those working under a contract of employment ( employees ) . Many Uber drivers may want to remain a

Just heard that Uber intend to appeal the decision .

Uber is a 21st-century company behaving like a 19th-century mill owner, when workers had no rights. It is now up to Uber to change its employment practices and grant its drivers the rights they deserve and are entitled to in law.