The real Brexit thread

[Benjamin Kaynine]

Well, well, well, the penny has finally dropped....almost literally

Brexit secretary David Davis has admitted today that Britain’s exit deal with the EU “will probably favour the union on things like money”.

So contrary to the wishes of hard right nutters like Liam Fuchs and Jacob Greese-Moog, the UK has to pay, 30 billion euros and rising. The Brexit negotiations can now enter the real world and quit the realm of fantasy. The problem with this is that the real world will appear fantastical to a large misled section of the UK electorate, the deluded Brexitards.

The way Davis talks, you would think the vast majority of the country was united behind him. In fact, recent polls show that the majority now wants to stay. And those under the age of 60, who will have to live with the consequences. certainly want to stay.

But who cares about them? The solution is obvious. If parliament votes against Davis’ deal we should stay in the EU until a suitable deal can be done.

 

[yoda]

Methinks you doth protest to much sir

 

[Drog]

But who cares about them? The solution is obvious. If parliament votes against Davis’ deal we should stay in the EU until a suitable deal can be done.

To do that would be to deny democracy, although I doubt that bothers many from the left of politics. However the clock can't go back, if we were to show weakness life in the EU would be worse than it was before the Brexit Referendum and the europeans would take our trousers down and roger us up the arse for ever and a day. I'm rather surprised the remainers cannot yet see that.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

To do that would be to deny democracy, although I doubt that bothers many from the left of politics. However the clock can't go back, if we were to show weakness life in the EU would be worse than it was before the Brexit Referendum and the europeans would take our trousers down and roger us up the arse for ever and a day. I'm rather surprised the remainers cannot yet see that.

Why should they bother when we've committed such an act of self-harm anyway ? From a position before the EU vote when our economy was growing more strongly than any other G7 country it is now the worst performing economy of the G7. Meanwhile the eurozone is going from strength to strength as our slows down rapidly because of the Brexit uncertainty. But as the Brexitards always say, volunteering to shoot oneself in the foot by getting poorer, weaker and less relevant in an increasingly competitive world is a price worth paying.

 

[Reidy You're A Star]

The way Davis talks, you would think the vast majority of the country was united behind him. In fact, recent polls show that the majority now wants to stay. And those under the age of 60, who will have to live with the consequences. certainly want to stay.

But who cares about them? The solution is obvious. If parliament votes against Davis’ deal we should stay in the EU until a suitable deal can be done.

Do we? Thanks for speaking on my behalf, but I and a good proportion of my friends and colleagues don't want to stay. So don't make shit up just to suit your argument.

We should stop pissing about and get a deal done before the deadline, yes. But, if we don't, we're still leaving. I sincerely hope that we do get a deal sorted and think we will, there's plenty of time to negotiate one yet. So don't get your hopes up for a veto on us leaving cause it ain't happening.

 

[yoda]

Why should they bother when we've committed such an act of self-harm anyway ? From a position before the EU vote when our economy was growing more strongly than any other G7 country it is now the worst performing economy of the G7. Meanwhile the eurozone is going from strength to strength as our slows down rapidly because of the Brexit uncertainty. But as the Brexitards always say, volunteering to shoot oneself in the foot by getting poorer, weaker and less relevant in an increasingly competitive world is a price worth paying.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41831945

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/87...France-Germany-Theresa-May-economy-world-bank

Sort of blows your post right out of the water

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

I
She said: “The UK is a good place to do business because it is simple and very affordable to start a new business.

“The tax burden on small and medium size businesses is low and easy to comply with, the process of importing and exporting is straightforward, and commercial courts are very efficient.”

Two relevant quotes from the World Bank story.

The first is because we have very lax labour laws and weak trade unions which makes it easy to hire and fire people - great for business but terrible for workers, and one of the main reasons why wages continue to languish.

Our departure from the EU single market will put paid to the second quote.

Car industry leaders met May in Downing Steet today pleading for her to end the Brexit uncertainty. Investment in Britain’s automotive industry has fallen by 75% and car sales have slumped.

 

[yoda]

I
She said: “The UK is a good place to do business because it is simple and very affordable to start a new business.

“The tax burden on small and medium size businesses is low and easy to comply with, the process of importing and exporting is straightforward, and commercial courts are very efficient.”

Two relevant quotes from the World Bank story.

The first is because we have very lax labour laws and weak trade unions which makes it easy to hire and fire people - great for business but terrible for workers, and one of the main reasons why wages continue to languish.

Our departure from the EU single market will put paid to the second quote.

Car industry leaders met May in Downing Steet today pleading for her to end the Brexit uncertainty. Investment in Britain’s automotive industry has fallen by 75% and car sales have slumped.

Correct, end the uncertainty and leave now

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

The great national get poor quick scheme. Bring the agony on !

 

[yoda]

The great national get poor quick scheme. Bring the agony on !

Ah, I see, you only want to end the uncertainty on your terms, well there is a surprise

NOT

 

[chor808]

We are all happy after the brexit vote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-41893598

 

[davebirch]

I lifted this from an article by Katya Adler on the BBC website:

"But EU negotiators ruled out more a more flexible style of talks because, instead of consulting with one capital city, they've got 27 of them that would want to chip in, plus the European Parliament."

and therein lies the problem with the EU. You have, maybe two or three countries with similar economies to the UK, the rest are wannabes.
I reiterate, why would anyone want to impose another level of government on themselves, especially when many in that government come from states that milk the current EU system, but are not showing any improvement.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

I reiterate, why would anyone want to impose another level of government on themselves, especially when many in that government come from states that milk the current EU system, but are not showing any improvement.

....because overall it has been extremely beneficial for Britain.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ne-for-you-quite-a-lot-actually-a7097636.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/13-things-european-union-gave-8257113

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/jun/10/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-rights

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jun/08/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-job

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/16/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-security

Meanwhile, the eastern Europe states rather than not "showing any improvement" have reaped enormous economic benefits. Greece and Italy have problems but that's mainly due to their failure to tackle structural faults in their economies.

You're asking the wrong question, which should be "Why would Britain want to leave the world's biggest and richest trading bloc, which is on its own doorstep?"

 

[Skiptonrover]

....because overall it has been extremely beneficial for Britain.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ne-for-you-quite-a-lot-actually-a7097636.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/13-things-european-union-gave-8257113

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/jun/10/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-rights

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jun/08/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-job

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/16/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-security

Meanwhile, the eastern Europe states rather than not "showing any improvement" have reaped enormous economic benefits. Greece and Italy have problems but that's mainly due to their failure to tackle structural faults in their economies.

You're asking the wrong question, which should be "Why would Britain want to leave the world's biggest and richest trading bloc, which is on its own doorstep?"

Simple 1 really, because the majority of the people who voted to leave in the referendum chose to do so.

 

[Alan]

....because overall it has been extremely beneficial for Britain.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ne-for-you-quite-a-lot-actually-a7097636.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/13-things-european-union-gave-8257113

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/jun/10/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-rights

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jun/08/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-job

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/16/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-security

Meanwhile, the eastern Europe states rather than not "showing any improvement" have reaped enormous economic benefits. Greece and Italy have problems but that's mainly due to their failure to tackle structural faults in their economies.

You're asking the wrong question, which should be "Why would Britain want to leave the world's biggest and richest trading bloc, which is on its own doorstep?"

Please don't quote your left wing rags to me. I would no more read them than you would read the Express or the Mail.

 

[biddy]

Meanwhile, the eastern Europe states rather than not "showing any improvement" have reaped enormous economic benefits.

To the detriment of who?

 

[Drog]

....because overall it has been extremely beneficial for Britain.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ne-for-you-quite-a-lot-actually-a7097636.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/13-things-european-union-gave-8257113

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/jun/10/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-rights

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jun/08/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-job

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/16/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-security

Meanwhile, the eastern Europe states rather than not "showing any improvement" have reaped enormous economic benefits. Greece and Italy have problems but that's mainly due to their failure to tackle structural faults in their economies.

You're asking the wrong question, which should be "Why would Britain want to leave the world's biggest and richest trading bloc, which is on its own doorstep?"

Whats the point of trade when they can't pay and only us and the Germans have to give them gazillions of euros every year just so that they can?

Anyway who cares what the Guardian, Independent and mirror have to say about it? They are supposed to oppose Brexit remember.

 

[davebirch]

....because overall it has been extremely beneficial for Britain.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ne-for-you-quite-a-lot-actually-a7097636.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/13-things-european-union-gave-8257113

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/jun/10/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-rights

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jun/08/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-job

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/16/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-security

Meanwhile, the eastern Europe states rather than not "showing any improvement" have reaped enormous economic benefits. Greece and Italy have problems but that's mainly due to their failure to tackle structural faults in their economies.

You're asking the wrong question, which should be "Why would Britain want to leave the world's biggest and richest trading bloc, which is on its own doorstep?"

You don't need an extra 700 or so MEPs to effect trade,
You don't need another parliament to effect trade.
The original concept of the Common Market was to make trade easier between nations not to take over the laws of the land.
Just think how much money has been wasted on a non productive instrument that the EU Parliament is.

 

[Drog]

Exactly Dave. We voted in 75 to go into a common market. No mention then of government by Germany and France via Brussels. No mention of the ludicrous notion of a European army either. That idea is surely based on the US military might protecting us. Something that Donald is getting rather weary of. I suspect his objections against NATO members who don't contribute their share financially might be based on the back of this stupid eu notion.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

Bad news for the Eurosceptic right on the Tory backbenches after it was reported this morning that the EU is demanding Britain accept that Northern Ireland may need to remain inside the European customs union and single market after Brexit in order to avoid “a hard border on the island of Ireland”.

The Irish question on Brexit and the problem of the border could bring down this government as the DUP, who are keeping the Tories in power, will resist any attempts at the EU's "all-island" approach that is in direct opposition to the official UK position.

Interesting times ahead - will May have to call an election in the new year ?