The real Brexit thread

[yoda]

I must say that it's good to see the Conservative party finally rejecting the failed free-market neoliberal policies of the past 40 years that has been the cause of so much inequality and adopting Labour's policy of an industrial strategy.

However, it can be only 2 cheers for Greg Clarke's initiative. I do not mean this disparagingly. It's a thorough piece of work, getting past the right-wing Thatcherite dinosaurs on the Tory backbenches was no mean feat and it is a vital first step to Britain's industrial survival.

But the difference it will make to our economic performance will not even show on the radar for five years and it is more like 15-20 years and the backing of a succession of governments of whatever colour before it really bears fruit and becomes a significant engine of economic growth.

Unfortunately, until then Brexit remains the elephant in the room.

Chris

Do you keep ending your posts with a Chris hoping that eventually people will take it as read John ?

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

Do you keep ending your posts with a Chris hoping that eventually people will take it as read John ?

I was thinking what's with this Chris business. Unless he thinks thats your name.

Horatio.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

I must say that it's good to see the Conservative party finally rejecting the failed free-market neoliberal policies of the past 40 years that has been the cause of so much inequality and adopting Labour's policy of an industrial strategy.

However, it can be only 2 cheers for Greg Clarke's initiative. I do not mean this disparagingly. It's a thorough piece of work, getting past the right-wing Thatcherite dinosaurs on the Tory backbenches was no mean feat and it is a vital first step to Britain's industrial survival.

But the difference it will make to our economic performance will not even show on the radar for five years and it is more like 15-20 years and the backing of a succession of governments of whatever colour before it really bears fruit and becomes a significant engine of economic growth.

Unfortunately, until then Brexit remains the elephant in the room.

Chris

How does that equate to your claim in an earlier post Chris , in which you said we'd had 40 years of economic success ?

PS To quote the BBCs favourite quote " .........................and despite Brexit " 2,000 new highly skilled jobs in the Pharma sector , coming into the UK , 850 in the north west. Tremendous

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

Do you keep ending your posts with a Chris hoping that eventually people will take it as read John ?

Until I hear mention of " Turkeys voting for Christmas " I refuse to believe ( with apologies to John 20 verse 25) that Chris isn't Chris

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

How does that equate to your claim in an earlier post Chris , in which you said we'd had 40 years of economic success ?

PS To quote the BBCs favourite quote " .........................and despite Brexit " 2,000 new highly skilled jobs in the Pharma sector , coming into the UK , 850 in the north west. Tremendous

I did indeed ...... 40 years of success all down to being in the EU single market. The jobs announcement is good news but has nothing to do with Brexit.

Until I hear mention of " Turkeys voting for Christmas " I refuse to believe ( with apologies to John 20 verse 25) that Chris isn't Chris

I use the sign-off because some people here seem to be confused. I don't mind people knowing my real name is Chris Marsden; if people would post their real names it would make the forum more friendly I think

 

[yoda]

Well it seems the only people worried about Brexit are the un elected commission

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...exit-leaves-brussels-no-money-france-germany/

 

[Drog]

I use the sign-off because some people here seem to be confused. I don't mind people knowing my real name is Chris Marsden; if people would post their real names it would make the forum more friendly I think

Really Chris? In that case you must be living with the chap everyone is linking you with and using his computer too. Either that or you've simply broken in, buried him under the patio and are using his computer.

Needless to say I prefer the latter explanation.

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

Really Chris? In that case you must be living with the chap everyone is linking you with and using his computer too. Either that or you've simply broken in, buried him under the patio and are using his computer.

Needless to say I prefer the latter explanation.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

I did indeed ...... 40 years of success all down to being in the EU single market. The jobs announcement is good news but has nothing to do with Brexit.

The single market wasn’t established until 1st Jan 1993 , 24 years in total . I guess we have to credit Margaret , her trade union reforms , the routing of the communist trade union leaders and privatisation for the rest !

You’re right Chris , the jobs boost is nothing to do with Brexit . These companies obviously aren’t concerned that we’re leaving . Investors will flock to first world countries with flexible labour markets and global ambitions .

 

[davebirch]

There is one country in the world that hasn't had a recession in 27 years.
It's also the country which attracts most millionaires to relocate to.
One hint, it's not in the EU.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

Well, it appears that May is heading for another showdown with the Brexit nutters in the Cabinet and on her backbenches, who are going to be inflamed by the latest news that the EU will tell her next month that she will have to legislate to extend Brussels’ powers in Britain during the 2-year transition period, meaning that the ECJ will continue to have jurisdiction over UK laws way beyond 2019.

As if this new self-inflicted humiliation is not enough, the Brexiters have still not come up with any solution to the Irish border problem, which on its own has the potential to derail the whole Brexit process, and if despite £40billion offer on the table, the EU decides not enough progress to move on to trade, things could really kick off in the Conservative party.

Throw in a well deserved defeat on their repeal bill and it could push them over their very own cliff edge and into an early election. Here’s hoping.

 

[davebirch]

Well, it appears that May is heading for another showdown with the Brexit nutters in the Cabinet and on her backbenches, who are going to be inflamed by the latest news that the EU will tell her next month that she will have to legislate to extend Brussels’ powers in Britain during the 2-year transition period, meaning that the ECJ will continue to have jurisdiction over UK laws way beyond 2019.

As if this new self-inflicted humiliation is not enough, the Brexiters have still not come up with any solution to the Irish border problem, which on its own has the potential to derail the whole Brexit process, and if despite £40billion offer on the table, the EU decides not enough progress to move on to trade, things could really kick off in the Conservative party.

Throw in a well deserved defeat on their repeal bill and it could push them over their very own cliff edge and into an early election. Here’s hoping.

The bit in bold is complete anathema to me.
It is just one reason to get out.
It has created a whole new bureaucracy, costing billions, without producing one single widget. It's the economist's ultimate wet dream.

 

[Drog]

Throw in a well deserved defeat on their repeal bill and it could push them over their very own cliff edge and into an early election. Here’s hoping.

And then what? Do you believe that the eu will change their stance when faced with the combined intellectual might of Jezza and his embarrassing inept Shadow Cabinet? Should the unthinkable happen and the Pied Piper cajole enough numpty kids to vote him in don't forget that they are still embarrassingly unpopular within their own party. Those right wing tories won't go away, they will still be digging their heels in and faced with such combined opposition I doubt Jezza would be able to pass wind never mind pass legislation through the commons.

Anyway... All these diversionary issues are wasting time. Shamefully you appear to be enjoying and welcoming every single piece of adverse news regarding OUR position as this nation moves through the brexit negotiations. Your embittered need to be able to say "I told you so" is all consuming. Unless I am mistaken my impression is that rather than see the nation succeed, prosper and benefit away from eu interference under a conservative government that you would rather see the nation impoverished and weak just so long as there is an extreme hard left Labour govt in place. Who would pay your precious social service bill then? You really do have a disgraceful and unpatriotic attitude to your own nation.

I still maintain that what we need is for all the political parties to unite to form a coalition to get us through brexit. Less strident opposition based purely on entrenched political doctrine and getting on with the job in hand is what we need. Should also deny oxygen to the losers on the Remain side too. The nation has voted out and that's that. Majority rule. The people have spoken. The remainers simply cannot get past that whatever they do, so it's past time to put aside silly political dogmas and to realise that the enemy is in Brussels and not across the floor of the Commons.




Oh btw nice to see 'Chris' has disappeared now that you've been sussed. Carry on and stay out of your closet.... you'll feel much so much better for it I'm sure.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

You really do have a disgraceful and unpatriotic attitude to your own nation.

I've asked you this before but you failed to reply. Why is a Remain position "unpatriotic"?

Chris

 

[chor808]

I've asked you this before but you failed to reply. Why is a Remain position "unpatriotic"?

Chris

I don't think it is, however that was over a year ago. How about getting behind the UK and democracy and trying to get the best possible outcome for our people and our home? I'm with Drog that a cross party team should have been formed to Breixt us but sadly the times we are in (as you can see from reading here or other comments in papers and forums) the parties and the media are at polar oposites. All this point scoring just benefits the EU.

 

[Drog]

Indeed it does chor. Rem the term "Loose lips sink ships"? The 2nd wwar turned when we captured an enigma machine and then employed an imaginative ruse with cadavers to convince Jerry that it lay safely at the bottom of the Atlantic. Just imagine how impossible it would be to keep that secret today with all manner of cabinet and civil service leaks, with so many treasonous politicians. And that's not to mention the massed press and media whistle blowers.

 

[chor808]

Indeed it does chor. Rem the term "Loose lips sink ships"? The 2nd wwar turned when we captured an enigma machine and then employed an imaginative ruse with cadavers to convince Jerry that it lay safely at the bottom of the Atlantic. Just imagine how impossible it would be to keep that secret today with all manner of cabinet and civil service leaks, with so many treasonous politicians. And that's not to mention the massed press and media whistle blowers.

Impossible for half of them to decide which side they are on nevermind keeping secrets.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

I don't think it is, however that was over a year ago. How about getting behind the UK and democracy and trying to get the best possible outcome for our people and our home? I'm with Drog that a cross party team should have been formed to Breixt us but sadly the times we are in (as you can see from reading here or other comments in papers and forums) the parties and the media are at polar oposites. All this point scoring just benefits the EU.

Not the point really. It's the concept put forward by the Tory right wing press and lapped up by the Brexit-supporting sheep who "read "it that not supporting Brexit is somehow "unpatriotic".

This is the same right wing treasonous press that acts as a propaganda rag for foreign tax-evading oligarchs and has spent the last four decades selling our country out from under us.

The likes of the Mail, Sun and Telegraph were cheerleaders for the economic treason that began during the Tory privatisation mania of the 1980s and 90s, when huge chunks of national infrastructure and services were sold off on the cheap, or simply given away for free, either to their mega-rich friends or foreign governments.

Thankfully, the supreme patriot Jeremy Corbyn wants to break up this decades long Westminster obsession with globalisation and privatisation, and is planning to repatriate some of the most vital public infrastructure.

Chris

 

[Drog]

Not the point really. It's the concept put forward by the Tory right wing press and lapped up by the Brexit-supporting sheep who "read "it that not supporting Brexit is somehow "unpatriotic".

Because it's a 'them and us' situation.
I'm sure that you have heard of the popular socialist mantra 'United we stand, divided we fall' so why are you electing to abandon it just to suit your current agenda?

 

[Alan]

Ridiculing the ones who oppose your argument is a sign that you have lost it Jim.