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The real Brexit thread

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Alan, Mar 11, 2017.

  1. OnlyOneTugay

    OnlyOneTugay Senior Member

    Micheal Foot was a staunch Eurosceptic , culminating in his commitment to leave the EEC . As was one of his acolytes Anthony Wedgewood Benn and I'd wager Bevan would have been too . The EU has seen years of protectionism and subsidy for well-off European farmers stunting the growth of developing economies and literally starving poorer competitors around the world. The idiotic common fisheries policy played a major role in the ecological disaster engulfing North Sea fish stocks and not long ago the EU's coup de grace , brutally sacrificing Greece in order to maintain the stability of a single currency that mainly benefits far wealthier countries in northern Europe.

    However you're missing my point . Bevan and Foot , however misguided , in their time represented the patrotic working class .
    Corbyn is a fraud , a terrorist sympathiser , calls Hamas and Hezbollah his friends and no more represents the patriotic working class of our great country than Abbott , Thornberry and Chakrabati . They are the face of the patriotically bankrupt, intellectual *left .

    *Accepted that with some of them the word 'intellectual ' is used in loosely .
     
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  2. Drog

    Drog Administrator Staff Member

    Quite true OOT. I can't ever recall a more shambolic and inept Shadow Cabinet than the one brought about by Corbyn's deep unpopularity amongst the parliamentary Labour Party.
     
  3. chor808

    chor808 Senior Member

    Alright he is not in power in Germany, yet. But heck lets get out of there quick. Oh and if you don't sign up you would be kicked out anyway. Ben is going to choke on this one.

    https://www.ft.com/content/ec2a8982-db4a-11e7-a039-c64b1c09b482

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...martinschulz-seeks-united-states-europe-2025/

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...me-United-States-of-Europe-says-Martin-Schulz

    It must be a fake news story or fake twitter however when I read his tweet I keep using a German voice from allo allo.

    A convention shall draft this treaty in close cooperation with the civil society and the people. Its results will then be submitted to all member states. Any state that won’t ratify this treaty will automatically leave the EU.
     
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  4. yoda

    yoda Administrator Staff Member


    So why is the 4th Reich asking us for money, we just don't sign the new treaty and leave, simples
     
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  5. chor808

    chor808 Senior Member

    It's not fake news! Bloody hell Nick Clegg lied to us, some upset remainers tonight, oh dear.
     
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    yoda Administrator Staff Member

  7. darrenrover

    darrenrover Active Member

    Is that your answer to the question posed?
     
  8. yoda

    yoda Administrator Staff Member

    :joy:
     
  9. Benjamin Kaynine

    Benjamin Kaynine Senior Member

    The more I read about Labour and their (last) manifesto, the more clear it is that they have the answers to many of the problems that plague society today.

    Suggestions that they are a 'hard left' party are palpably false. Most of their ideas are at the centre left in Europe. Winston Churchill (that soppy lefty) advocated a land value tax in 1909.

    These aren't communist ideas. It is a remarkable insight into how far to the right the UK has gone, that Corbyn is described in these terms.

    And to be clear I have voted Tory more often than not. I voted Labour at the last election and I will vote for them again next time.

    Chris
     
  10. yoda

    yoda Administrator Staff Member

    How refreshingly naive

    :eek:
     
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  11. davebirch

    davebirch Senior Member

    From what I have read, the Labour party in Britain has no real answer. They appear to be looking at populist solutions to attain government.
    Really it needs positive policies, ones that will convince the voting public and business to accept what they are saying, what they are trying to achieve.
    It cannot be all about giving to those that have nought. Those that have nought should be encouraged to become better off, to work for it. Those that don't want to do that then should be "encouraged" to get off the teat. Yes, there are those that will never be able to work or better themselves, they should be looked after.
    As the POTUS Kennedy said "Ask not what your country can do for you, rather, what you can do for your country".

    And to be clear, I have voted Labor more often than not. I voted Labor at the last election and I will vote for them again next time.
    I've no time for ultra right christian fundamentalist wing politicians, of which we have too many in Australia.
    What the UK needs is someone with a bit of vision, not someone who thinks those that are successful should pay for those that can't be arsed.
    Encourage those that are successful, for without them you are stuffed.

    sorry for being a bit all over the place, but I'm sure you get my drift.
     
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  12. OnlyOneTugay

    OnlyOneTugay Senior Member

    The Conservatives are probably more centrist now than they have been for 40 years . Theresa May is more of a continental-style Christian Democrat and represents a bridge back to the pre- Margaret Thatcher years . I can't say I'm thrilled as in your words, we've had 40 years of economic success , largely built on Maggie's trade union reforms and deregulation of the labour market . To go back to the 1970's and re-introduce the tried and failed socialist policies, would give us what it gave us then, economic disaster .

    In some ways Chris it's heartening that you've voted Conservative more often than not in the past, and although I don't know how old you are , your decision to vote for Corbyn's Labour goes against the oft quoted phrase " if a man is not socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.”

    More Benjamin Button than Benjamin Kaynine ;)
     
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  13. OnlyOneTugay

    OnlyOneTugay Senior Member

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  14. Benjamin Kaynine

    Benjamin Kaynine Senior Member


    Seeing as hard right Conservatives such as Fox, Davis and Johnson are driving policy egged on by the swivel-eyed right on the backbenches in the shape of Rees-Mogg and Bone, this is plainly not true. This is the most right wing government in my lifetime, and that includes the Thatcherite junta that devastated large swathes of this country.
    Chris
     
  15. Alan

    Alan Administrator Staff Member

    Now where have I heard that phrase before? Come on out.
     
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  16. ABBEY

    ABBEY Administrator Staff Member

    i remember SWIVEL EYED LOON in a another posting life.
     
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  17. yoda

    yoda Administrator Staff Member

    JD outing himself

    :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:
     
  18. Drog

    Drog Administrator Staff Member

    He's already been outed. Trust me.
    The only other likely explanation could be that Chris and JimMk2 actually cohabit and enjoy the use of the same computer. Maybe Ben's included and the situation is troilism. :heart_eyes: Where Doris fits in to the equation (Oooh Matron) I've really no idea. o_O
     
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  19. yoda

    yoda Administrator Staff Member


    Split "personality's" maybe
     
  20. Benjamin Kaynine

    Benjamin Kaynine Senior Member

    Welcome defeat for May and the government in the Commons tonight - hopefully the first of many.

    Maybe some sanity is returning amid this Brexit madness.
     

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