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The real Brexit thread

yoda

yoda

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Benjamin Kaynine said:
I see that "Alpha male" President Donald Trump yesterday declared himself a "strong and stable genius", amid questions raised about his mental state in an explosive new book about his fitness for office.

What next? North Korea's Kim declares himself to be a democratic, peace loving humanitarian?

Theresa May declares herself a strong and stable human being, and not in fact an uncaring, malfunctioning Maybot?

With regards to Trump, it is important to remember that his base support, many semi-literate, won't be reading the book.

The same is true of Brexit voters in the UK - they can barely manage Murdoch's Sun. Facts don't matter in a right wing idiocracy.

Chris
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The last resort of all champagne socialists, when loosing the argument (again) question the intelligence of the opposition and hurl insults :joy:
 
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Benjamin Kaynine

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May looks to fill Lords to see through Brexit bill

https://www.ft.com/content/812aa8fa-f239-11e7-b220-857e26d1aca4


Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't Brexit meant to be a renewal of British democracy and restoring the power of parliament?

If that is the case, could the Brexitards explain why they loathe the EU for being undemocratic, yet would be happy for the unelected peers in the House of Lords to be used to gerrymander through legislation with actions that would not be out of place in some third world banana republic?
 
Drog

Drog

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Benjamin Kaynine said:
May looks to fill Lords to see through Brexit bill

https://www.ft.com/content/812aa8fa-f239-11e7-b220-857e26d1aca4


Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't Brexit meant to be a renewal of British democracy and restoring the power of parliament?

If that is the case, could the Brexitards explain why they loathe the EU for being undemocratic, yet would be happy for the unelected peers in the House of Lords to be used to gerrymander through legislation with actions that would not be out of place in some third world banana republic?
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Crikey! Well I certainly never had you down as a staunch supporter of the Lords John! In fact quite the opposite!
But whatever next? If someone can get Corbyn and McDonald et al to ever break their current, politically motivated brexit silence will they too be bowing, scraping and generally brown nosing their ermine clad superiors whenever the occasion suits as you are?
 
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Benjamin Kaynine

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OnlyOneTugay said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...u-withdrawal-bill-lords-commons-a8049731.html

It's a case of when needs must Chris to protect the democratic will of the British people from anti- democratic Remoaners like Vince Cable and as such makes your post a bit of a nonsense
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A legitimate vote in the upper house is different to riding roughshod over democracy by creating another load of Tory peers with the sole purpose of getting contentious legislation passed.

It seems you don't understand the issue here.
 
OnlyOneTugay

OnlyOneTugay

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Benjamin Kaynine said:
If that is the case, could the Brexitards explain why they loathe the EU for being undemocratic, yet would be happy for the unelected peers in the House of Lords to be used to gerrymander through legislation with actions that would not be out of place in some third world banana republic?
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Benjamin Kaynine said:
A legitimate vote in the upper house is different to riding roughshod over democracy by creating another load of Tory peers with the sole purpose of getting contentious legislation passed.

It seems you don't understand the issue here.
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A legitimate vote of unelected peers ? I understand the issue perfectly well Chris . Just amused by your flip - flopping in the space of 10 minutes :joy:
 
yoda

yoda

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Benjamin Kaynine said:
A legitimate vote in the upper house is different to riding roughshod over democracy by creating another load of Tory peers with the sole purpose of getting contentious legislation passed.

It seems you don't understand the issue here.
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No John, you are trying to bury the issue, some un elected peers are trying to overturn the referendum result, the biggest vote in UK history. If the way to make the un elected peers adhere to the biggest vote in UK history is to play them at their own game on his occasion then so be it, the end justifies the means in this situation.
 
Drog

Drog

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Benjamin Kaynine said:
Gordon

I don't support the Lords at all. But you've missed the point.

Chris
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Just a thought............
http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/lords/composition-of-the-lords/

Rum do this JD. Left wing types decry the Lords almost to a man yet here we are with many more Labour and Liberal Life peers in total than Tory Life peers! Is this not a clear case of definite hypocrisy? Especially now that Labour types are coming out of the woodwork to say how important the Lords is to British Politics?
 
Drog

Drog

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Two options here
1. The man is only comfortable in attacking a sitting govt, and incapable of making real decisions when put on the spot.

2. He's having an Abbott style mental breakdown and spending every available hour with a shrink.

Either way he's not fit for office.
 
yoda

yoda

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Benjamin Kaynine said:
The issue is gerrymandering, which you obviously do not understand.
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I think it is you who does not understand

verb
gerund or present participle: gerrymandering
  1. manipulate the boundaries of (an electoral constituency) so as to favour one party or class.
    • achieve (a result) by gerrymandering.
 
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Benjamin Kaynine

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yoda said:
No John, you are trying to bury the issue, some un elected peers are trying to overturn the referendum result, the biggest vote in UK history. If the way to make the un elected peers adhere to the biggest vote in UK history is to play them at their own game on his occasion then so be it, the end justifies the means in this situation.
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So Michael, in order to, allegedly, escape the diktats of "unelected Eurocrats" we're going to increase the number of unelected aristocrats. This is the hypocrisy of the Brexitards ..... they vote for the UK elite in the form of the Conservative party yet decry the so-called "elite" in Brussels

Chris
 
yoda

yoda

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Benjamin Kaynine said:
So Michael, in order to, allegedly, escape the diktats of "unelected Eurocrats" we're going to increase the number of unelected aristocrats. This is the hypocrisy of the Brexitards ..... they vote for the UK elite in the form of the Conservative party yet decry the so-called "elite" in Brussels

Chris
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On this occasion yes John, if only to counter balance the excessive number of Labour peers, alternatively scrap the Lords now and leave it up to the house of commons, end of discussion then isn't it ? or is it ?
 
yoda

yoda

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Looks like it won't make any difference what the Lords do anyway John, Jeeza has pulled the rug again :joy:

 
OnlyOneTugay

OnlyOneTugay

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Benjamin Kaynine said:
The issue is gerrymandering, which you obviously do not understand.
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If Theresa May looks to fill the Lords with more unelected aristocrats who support Brexit to counter the unelected aristocrats who oppose Brexit , that's addressing the democratic deficit for the likes of ordinary folk like you and me . If by doing so she ensures the Brexit legislation is passed , then the democratic will of the British people to leave the EU will have been respected. That is not gerrymandering unless you have found a new meaning for the word

If I were you, I’d be more concerned about the greed and hypocrisy of Tony Woodley who has betrayed and screwed the low paid Union members he was meant to represent. He then allows Comrade Corbyn to nominate him to the House of Lords .

An old communist and working class hero joining the aristocrats . You couldn’t make it up .
 
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Drog

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George Orwell made it up. ;)
 
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