The real Brexit thread

[OnlyOneTugay]

He did and with pinpoint accuracy as far as Corbyn's Labour are concerned !

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42633502

The well heeled southern Remoaners are going to be crying into their skinny lattes today , after manufacturing posted its strongest performance for 10 years. This is more bad news to follow the the trauma they suffered after they heard their passports are going to change from claret to blue . How will they cope ?

Manufacturing on the up and up , which is great news for the Brexit voting areas of Lancashire and the North West ,as we have the highest proportion of manufacturing employment in the country . Manufacturing in the UK has always suffered from having a dominant London and the South East financial sector that has meant we've had an artificially high value currency . The fall in the pound following the referendum has been a real shot in the arm for the northern manufacturing regions.

As Lee Hopley from the EEF ( who knows one or two things about stuff like this ) said " This, together with an ongoing commitment from government to deliver on its industrial strategy, will be crucial in helping to propel the sector forward,"

Maybe at last we're on the road to being exporters and producers rather than importers and consumers .

 

[yoda]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42633502

The well heeled southern Remoaners are going to be crying into their skinny lattes today , after manufacturing posted its strongest performance for 10 years. This is more bad news to follow the the trauma they suffered after they heard their passports are going to change from claret to blue . How will they cope ?

Manufacturing on the up and up , which is great news for the Brexit voting areas of Lancashire and the North West ,as we have the highest proportion of manufacturing employment in the country . Manufacturing in the UK has always suffered from having a dominant London and the South East financial sector that has meant we've had an artificially high value currency . The fall in the pound following the referendum has been a real shot in the arm for the northern manufacturing regions.

As Lee Hopley from the EEF ( who knows one or two things about stuff like this ) said " This, together with an ongoing commitment from government to deliver on its industrial strategy, will be crucial in helping to propel the sector forward,"

Maybe at last we're on the road to being exporters and producers rather than importers and consumers .

Maybe this will finish them off

http://yourbrexit.co.uk/news/breaking-government-issues-statement-about-leaving-the-eu-immediately/

 

[Steve Moss]

Graham Brady, who bolstered support for Theresa May after she failed to win a decisive victory in June, has been made a knight.

Brady chairs the 1922 committee, the parliamentary group for the Conservative party, and has fended off challenges to May’s leadership.

Tory cronyism at its worst. Bin the system - and the House of Lords too

I agree somewhat. I hate the title “Lord” and I hate how bureaucrats can become entrenched in government. On the other hand, having a body which is dispassionate and removed from the heat of the political moment is valuable. That’s the theory behind our Senate, though the practical effect is debatable. How we reconcile ‘the will of the people’ without degenerating into mob rule is the challenge of our times.

 

[yoda]

The leftards are a mob that would like to rule

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42633502

The well heeled southern Remoaners are going to be crying into their skinny lattes today , after manufacturing posted its strongest performance for 10 years. This is more bad news to follow the the trauma they suffered after they heard their passports are going to change from claret to blue . How will they cope ?

Manufacturing on the up and up , which is great news for the Brexit voting areas of Lancashire and the North West ,as we have the highest proportion of manufacturing employment in the country . Manufacturing in the UK has always suffered from having a dominant London and the South East financial sector that has meant we've had an artificially high value currency . The fall in the pound following the referendum has been a real shot in the arm for the northern manufacturing regions.

As Lee Hopley from the EEF ( who knows one or two things about stuff like this ) said " This, together with an ongoing commitment from government to deliver on its industrial strategy, will be crucial in helping to propel the sector forward,"

Maybe at last we're on the road to being exporters and producers rather than importers and consumers .

So manufacturing has returned to its highest level for 10 years (under the Labour government) - hurrah !

It would be a cause for celebration if our manufacturing growth were outpacing that of the major European countries - but the fact is it is underperforming.

And if you look into the figures closely you will realise that UK manufacturing has only turned up on the coat-tails of a buoyant global economy, and that UK economic growth is still trailing the main G7 countries by some distance and is way behind that of the EU.

Meanwhile, construction, an indicator of the true health of the UK national economy, has contracted at the fastest rate for 5 years.

I apologise for being the bearer of "unpatriotic" news.

Chris

 

[Wilpshire Blue]

No links again??

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

And if you look into the figures closely you will realise that UK manufacturing has only turned up on the coat-tails of a buoyant global economy,

So a more realistically valued pound hasn't had any effect on UK manufacturing ?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-s-manufacturers-cash-in-on-weak-pound-cwcvrkw02

Mmm .................just wandering whose knowledge of UK manufacturing I should take any notice of , yours Chris or the UKs biggest manufacturing organisation the EEF .

Cheer up lad

 

[Drog]

From that link OOT "Britain’s manufacturers cash in on weak pound". I prefer to replace the term "weak" with realistic. The £ appeared pre brexit to be based on the strength of the City and not on the commercial and business activities of the rest of the nation.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

Agree Drog . You do tend to find that countries with over dominant financial sectors such as the UK tend to have an overvalued currency , which hampers manufacturing exporters . To describe the pound as weak is just lazy journalism .

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42633502

The well heeled southern Remoaners are going to be crying into their skinny lattes today , after manufacturing posted its strongest performance for 10 years. This is more bad news to follow the the trauma they suffered after they heard their passports are going to change from claret to blue . How will they cope ?

.

The "well heeled southern Remoaners" whom you are criticising in this post are overwhelmingly likely to be your fellow Conservative party supporters.

How do you reconcile your love for the Tories with a party that has its power base in the south and in its desire to crush the trade unions and reduce ordinary working folk to subservience destroyed the northern economy in the 1980s,?

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

So a more realistically valued pound hasn't had any effect on UK manufacturing ?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-s-manufacturers-cash-in-on-weak-pound-cwcvrkw02

Mmm .................just wandering whose knowledge of UK manufacturing I should take any notice of , yours Chris or the UKs biggest manufacturing organisation the EEF .

Cheer up lad

The devalued pound (a weak currency is a sign of weak economy BTW) has helped exporters but the biggest help to manufacturing has been the big upturn in the global economy.

And you've ignored the fact the UK economy is still underperforming by some margin compared with our rivals.

 

[yoda]

The "well heeled southern Remoaners" whom you are criticising in this post are overwhelmingly likely to be your fellow Conservative party supporters.

How do you reconcile your love for the Tories with a party that has its power base in the south and in its desire to crush the trade unions and reduce ordinary working folk to subservience destroyed the northern economy in the 1980s,?

Brexit is not the property of any one political party, the referendum was nation wide on the issue of leaving or staying in the EU, you are continuing to insult the population at large by trying to drive a wedge through the nation for purely Trotsky based ideals John.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

The devalued pound (a weak currency is a sign of weak economy BTW) has helped exporters but the biggest help to manufacturing has been the big upturn in the global economy.

And you've ignored the fact the UK economy is still underperforming by some margin compared with our rivals.

Thanks for correcting yourself , so you now agree that a more realistically valued pound has helped exporters.......good man

I explained the pound has been artificially high due to the UK's unbalanced ecomomy , our financial sector is proportionally too dominant . Most economists accept that point.

My original post was about manufacturing and not the UK economy . However if you want to debate UK economic growth look at this snapshot of the UK v your beloved EU on economic performance, have a look at the graph in the link and Fitch's forecast. You'll note that the UK growth outperformed your beloved EU from 2011 to 2016 ( all the more surprising after Labour's Great Recession) and is forecast to outperform the the EU again in 2019 . Your beloved EU's moment in the sun is coming to an end - in more ways than one

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/10/02/uk-growth-outstrip-eurozones-2019-claims-fitch/

The "well heeled southern Remoaners" whom you are criticising in this post are overwhelmingly likely to be your fellow Conservative party supporters.

How do you reconcile your love for the Tories with a party that has its power base in the south and in its desire to crush the trade unions and reduce ordinary working folk to subservience destroyed the northern economy in the 1980s,?

Tony Blair and your beloved Labour party ( although you did say in an earlier post you voted Conservative more often than not ) did more damage to manufacturing and the northern economy than the Conservatives . The Office for National Statistics showed that manufacturing's share of the economy declined almost three times faster under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown than it did when Margaret Thatcher was in power in the 1980s and early 1990s.

As I mentioned above , Lee Hopley from the EEF ( who knows one or two things about stuff like this ) said " This, together with an ongoing commitment from government to deliver on its industrial strategy, will be crucial in helping to propel the sector forward,"


When did Tony Blair publish an Industrial Strategy ?

Labour has been conning the working classes for generations.

 

[Drog]

The "well heeled southern Remoaners" whom you are criticising in this post are overwhelmingly likely to be your fellow Conservative party supporters.

How do you reconcile your love for the Tories with a party that has its power base in the south and in its desire to crush the trade unions and reduce ordinary working folk to subservience destroyed the northern economy in the 1980s,?

This is something which I have been pondering recently. How do you reconcile your decision to line up behind those 'well heeled conservative southern remoaners' on Brexit and in doing so turn against and despise those ordinary working class union members in the North for whom you have taken up your cudgel so consistently in the past?



Moving on her are two facts for you.... The referendum has passed FACT. The nation voted for Brexit FACT.
So why do you believe that should we somehow reverse the Brexit vote that the status quo will be restored and everything will return to where it was before the vote? The terms of our relationship with the eu can't have been advantageous to the nation or else why would Cameron ever have proceeded on his humiliating mission in Autumn 2015 to beg better terms for the UK and which we now know was doomed to failure from the start?

So lets assume in a parallel existence that the remoaners got their wish and the decision is reversed.? Do you believe that the eu will.....
a. want us back?
b. allow us back?
c. not take some sort of revenge measures?
d. Not produce some kind of legislation to ensure that we can never take another democratic vote to stay / leave?

Personally I believe that from being some sort of obscure grey institution which we all knew existed o'er yon, but hardly concerned the majority of us the eu has now by it's vindictive and vengeful behaviour shown itself in a true and revealing light.
Why not let them try and stand on their own feet without us for a decade whilst we get fully behind our own nation John and then we'll all be able to comment more accurately and speculate less won't we?

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

The "well heeled southern Remoaners" whom you are criticising in this post are overwhelmingly likely to be your fellow Conservative party supporters.

Disagree there Chris. The " well heeled southern Remoaners " I was referring to ,tend to be overwhelmingly the London left wing intelligentsia, the liberal elite , the metropolitan elite etc etc . You know the types , the hypocritical parents who spout liberal and socialist principles, sing " oh Jeremy Corbyn " and go on the " refugees welcome here "marches with the hard left detritus .They then go home to the leafy suburbs, as far from those refugees and immigrants they can get ( they're welcome, as long as they live miles away ! ) and on Monday drop their kids off at grammar schools , private schools , selective schools . They then go and cry into a skinny latte, whilst moaning about how they're going to cope with the new border controls and how long it'll add to their journeys to the French gite . The last thing those sort want to hear is the prospect of the UK actually prospering outside the EU

The multi - millionairess Polly Toynbee , an archetypal " well heeled southern Remoaner "

 

[Drog]

I must say that I've no problem with anyone dropping kids off at a Grammar School.

On the Andrew Marr show on Sun. That Toynbee is a hate filled wizened old vixen isn't she?

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

Thanks for correcting yourself , so you now agree that a more realistically valued pound has helped exporters.......good man

My original post was about manufacturing and not the UK economy . . You'll note that the UK growth outperformed your beloved EU from 2011 to 2016 ( all the more surprising after Labour's Great Recession) .

I didn't correct myself. I acknowledged the devalued pound has helped exporters but the buoyant global economy has given a far greater boost - witness the exports boom and rising share prices around the world.

As usual, you overlooked the fact the UK is doing badly compared to our rivals, particularly the EU.

As for "Labour's Great Recession" please don't quote lazy, journalistic lies from the right wing press.

Chris

Tony Blair and your beloved Labour party did more damage to manufacturing and the northern economy than the Conservatives .
Labour has been conning the working classes for generations.

This has to be satire.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

As usual, you overlooked the fact the UK is doing badly compared to our rivals, particularly the EU.

This has to be satire.

Nope addressed it fully , look back in my earlier post . Looks like you overlooked the Fitch report . Take you time with the responses Chris

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/10/02/uk-growth-outstrip-eurozones-2019-claims-fitch/

Nope fact again , this time the ONS . Blair and Brown and Labour wrecked manufacturing . Credit to the Conservatives for at least trying to repair the damage with an Industrial Strategy.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

I must say that I've no problem with anyone dropping kids off at a Grammar School.

On the Andrew Marr show on Sun. That Toynbee is a hate filled wizened old vixen isn't she?

Me neither Drog and neither have Nugee , Abbott , Chakrabati ( and probably Toynbee) - as long as it's for their kids and not ours