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NEXT GAME:no idea
Sometime in August
Kick off unknown pm
No idea where
Definitely the Championship
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ABBEY
Guest
Thats because im not there ,someone said come back abbey we miss your rants ha.
When you support a club like BRFC you have to take the rough with the smooth Tom. You are too young to remember the bad old days but over my life I've come to recognise it as a duty and an obligation to be stubbornly adhered to rather than a form of entertainment. Call me old fashioned if you like but I think I'm the football supporters equivalent of a luddite.
It's called loyalty Drog.
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ABBEY
Guest
Or in my case principles.
I cannot justify paying to any more corruption. Mind you I've still not missed as much as Gord's golfing days
I cannot justify paying to any more corruption. Mind you I've still not missed as much as Gord's golfing days
You are quite right Gordon, thinking about it I started going in 1990 so this is the lowest we've ever been since I and many others started.
I go with my dad and my 5 year old; my son doesn't want to go anymore so I would rather spend the time with him whilst he still wants to spend time with me!
Championship or League 1 wouldn't make much difference especially now Mowbray is here, under Coyle there isn't a chance I would have considered renewing.
Stuart
New Member
Although I respect Abbey's stance on this, I really don't see the benefit / impact of boycotting - on Venkys.
I get the moral argument about the principle of NAPM and, yes, it is admirable but I think that those partaking are hurting themselves more that Venkys. Cutting off one's nose springs to mind - in the greater scheme of things.
I also get the economic argument that a 100% boycott would force the issue as the club's main income stream would stop and it would mean Venkys either put up the money to cover the costs of putting out a team in front of an empty stadium or go.
In theory.
In practice...?
There will never be a 100% boycott. There are as many principled attend-at-all-costs fans as there are boycotters. There are a greater number of genuinely ignorant fans who only care about the team/matches anyway. There are those, like me, who would have to deprive their kids of something they enjoy.
There are also too many relegation-stayaways to notice the genuine boycotters and there is still no visible show of numbers on the boycott front. Shouldn't they be outside the ground every matchday leafletting?
If it was a short term pain for long term gain then I could easily be persuaded - boycotting is the only protest I haven't yet joined. But the chances are that Abbey could be missing matches for the next two or three seasons - minimum. (Although this Summer will be a litmus test of the owners current intentions).
Other than that, there is the problem that Venkys don't care and will carry on regardless - sitting back and probably glad of the lack of unrest at Ewood these days. They have certainly silenced the peasants by bringing in Mowbray and getting that bounce.
But playing devil's advocate - let's say there was a 100% boycott. More likely, given their history, Venkys will use this as an excuse to sell club assets rather than the club. Any convenants on Brockhall will be tied to the club remaining for sporting purposes. If the club goes, I'd expect them to sell Brockhall - probably to Burnley just to rub salt in the wounds rather than hand over to a fan consortium for a nominal fee. Which is what we are all pinning our hopes on.
I get the moral argument about the principle of NAPM and, yes, it is admirable but I think that those partaking are hurting themselves more that Venkys. Cutting off one's nose springs to mind - in the greater scheme of things.
I also get the economic argument that a 100% boycott would force the issue as the club's main income stream would stop and it would mean Venkys either put up the money to cover the costs of putting out a team in front of an empty stadium or go.
In theory.
In practice...?
There will never be a 100% boycott. There are as many principled attend-at-all-costs fans as there are boycotters. There are a greater number of genuinely ignorant fans who only care about the team/matches anyway. There are those, like me, who would have to deprive their kids of something they enjoy.
There are also too many relegation-stayaways to notice the genuine boycotters and there is still no visible show of numbers on the boycott front. Shouldn't they be outside the ground every matchday leafletting?
If it was a short term pain for long term gain then I could easily be persuaded - boycotting is the only protest I haven't yet joined. But the chances are that Abbey could be missing matches for the next two or three seasons - minimum. (Although this Summer will be a litmus test of the owners current intentions).
Other than that, there is the problem that Venkys don't care and will carry on regardless - sitting back and probably glad of the lack of unrest at Ewood these days. They have certainly silenced the peasants by bringing in Mowbray and getting that bounce.
But playing devil's advocate - let's say there was a 100% boycott. More likely, given their history, Venkys will use this as an excuse to sell club assets rather than the club. Any convenants on Brockhall will be tied to the club remaining for sporting purposes. If the club goes, I'd expect them to sell Brockhall - probably to Burnley just to rub salt in the wounds rather than hand over to a fan consortium for a nominal fee. Which is what we are all pinning our hopes on.
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ABBEY
Guest
Its not only that stuart my blood pressure and risk of arrest when chimphead was there made it easy but i cant fund corruption anymore ,attendees may be happy to contribute to the dodgy pigs with snouts in the trough but i cant any longer.
Majiball
Senior Member
The trouble is Britain is a very insular country these days, people want their cake and to eat it too, to coin a phrase. The sense of community or 'others' is a concept very few seem to comprehend and this makes protesting a difficult challenge.
I don't think Stuart wants them here more he's entered acceptance that he cannot affect their presence.
I don't think Stuart wants them here more he's entered acceptance that he cannot affect their presence.
Stuart
New Member
See, I'm never sure if this is a dig or not, Dave. Despite the word 'presumably', I'll assume not. Although it's amazing that I have to keep explaining myself.
Do I mind? Yes, I mind. That's why I protest - even though nobody else where we sit (the family stand) does.
But it's not just about me. I'll gladly protest and do. However, if the 18/75 walkout is any kind of evidence then I'm on my own. If I boycotted I'd be joining a very small minority and would make no discernible difference to anything and have no voice whatsoever.
With there being no coordination and no figurehead now that the WAR coalition has turned out to be a damp squib, I will seriously be considering not joining the next wave of protests. What's the point? The protester-in-chief sees visibly promoting his own business (or perhaps personal) interests in supporting the club to be more important than visibly protesting in any meaningful way - despite having a platform and mandate to do so. Maybe he thinks he can change more by getting close to the club but this isn't obvious. The RoversTrust seems to be in flux (being polite) at the moment. The Action Group - who despite the criticism - have done the most over the years have gone quiet. So all protests are on hold while everyone gets behind the latest bit of hope and waits to see where we land come May. Your question really should be aimed at these people rather than just a one-off fan trying to make sense of his own feelings on an Internet forum.
To answer your point though, I've come to the conclusion that most Rovers fans don't mind. The evolution of protests and our downward spiral - and precarious position should have seen protests garner numbers such that there could be a meaningful boycott. But the reality is that protest numbers have reached a plateau and even stagnated. We can't even muster up a 100% boycott for a meaningless cup tie.
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ABBEY
Guest
that blackpool game spoke volumes to me of people who are happy to fund corruption from both India and the seaside.
Common kniowledge that I boycotted for two years from 2011/12 and 2012/2013. I hated Anderson and Kean more than I hated having the venkys .... and I wasn't happy about them from the off! I think I've already stated that I couldn't bring myself to welcome the brothers and chose instead to stay in the concourse until all the applause and adulation had ended.
However I never said 'Never' even back then and my analogy is that whilst we all regret the owners steering our ship into an iceberg through a combination of pig ignorance and bad advice, the ship has sunk and we are now left baling out a dangerously leaky lifeboat with them in it....I know lots would want to chuck em over the side but before we do so we need to remember they are the only ones with buckets!
However I never said 'Never' even back then and my analogy is that whilst we all regret the owners steering our ship into an iceberg through a combination of pig ignorance and bad advice, the ship has sunk and we are now left baling out a dangerously leaky lifeboat with them in it....I know lots would want to chuck em over the side but before we do so we need to remember they are the only ones with buckets!
If BRFC was my business I'd have BRFC do it's business (treatment and training) between 9.am and 1.00pm and I'd offer the excellent facilities out to any other local team(s) for the afternoon. Brockall doesn't just have to produce new players to make money and a steady income stream would allow us to keep up to date with medical equipment etc.
yoda
Senior Member
Its a great idea and the same applies to Ewood.
You have to overcome the toxic ownership for it to work though.
If a way could be found to demonstrate that monies generated was staying in the club and not being trousered in Pune or down south it might take off,
ps, we might have to add Darwen to that list
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ABBEY
Guest
you hated Anderson enough not to go? why do you still go when the same "mob" are still there like a fart in a bottle?
Majiball
Senior Member
Why does everyone assume they are idiots and/or were duped? I believe they are were all in it together and suhail pasha is the key clue. Worked both sides, still at rovers and now just loyal to Venkys? No chance they have all made millions out of us and still do.
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ABBEY
Guest
Are you going for a monopoly on post of the week? Haha
Anderson , pasha & venkys are all still tied up and continue to suck the blood from the club's veins
Anderson , pasha & venkys are all still tied up and continue to suck the blood from the club's veins