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Man-made Climate Change

blueandwhitehalves

blueandwhitehalves

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Whats everyones thoughts on both this in general and Extinction Rebellion's tactics in particular?

I was already a believer in man-made climate change but opposed Extinction Rebellion's tactics, however I was in a talk from a guy called Mike Berners-Lee (brother of Tim who invented the internet) on Tuesday and had my mind blown.

This guy is another level of smart and conducted a presentation with 15-20 slides of incredible facts and figures which, I have to say, totally convinced me that 'Climate Emergency' is an understatement and if we don't take significant action very soon, we're either doomed or destined to a very difficult form of existence as a species.

His opinion on Extinction Rebellion was "If not their way then how, and if not now then when". Have to say on the back of his lecture, I can't help but support them. They have to be careful what they do but things just can't continue how they are in my opinion.
 
Drog

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My opinion entirely. The problem in a nutshell is that 6 billion human beings need to die without reproducing.
 
Steve Moss

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I’m agnostic. Climate change is happening. Whether it is man-made climate change, I’m agnostic on.

As to Extinction Rebellion, they are failures. People (including me) don’t like being bullied and don’t like being coerced. Groups like ER do a lot of damage to their supposed cause. Climate scientists who won’t release their raw data causes me to be skeptical. Then when some data is released, and their math is double checked, teams of Japanese and Finnish scientists have found errors.

That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be exploring new energy technology, like solar and nuclear. Energy advancements are a positive and give us a lot of options. But unless groups like ER give up their bullying tactics, and the IPCC releases the raw data and the methodology used to make adjustments, I won’t be signing onto the man-made climate change bandwagon.
 
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blueandwhitehalves

blueandwhitehalves

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Steve Moss said:
I’m agnostic. Climate change is happening. Whether it is man-made climate change, I’m agnostic on.

As to Extinction Rebellion, they are failures. People (including me) don’t like being bullied and don’t like being coerced. Groups like ER do a lot of damage to their supposed cause. Climate scientists who won’t release their raw data causes me to be skeptical. Then when some data is released, and their math is double checked, teams of Japanese and Finnish scientists have found errors.

That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be exploring new energy technology, like solar and nuclear. Energy advancements are a positive and give us a lot of options. But unless groups like ER give up their bullying tactics, and the IPCC releases the raw data and the methodology used to make adjustments, I won’t be signing onto the man-made climate change bandwagon.
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Some good points there Steve. This is historically one of the very few things we disagree on but I've come more round to your way of thinking on Extinction Rebellion. I don't think their approach will work and I don't think the democratic approach (the Green Party in the UK) will either.

I unfortunately think the human race is destined for some catastrophic future times (barring a game changer like nuclear fusion energy) and, morbid as it sounds, hopefully our population will get decimated to sustainable levels before the planet is destroyed. As Gord says, there are simply too many people and no realistic way of getting around that.
 
Drog

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Indeed so b&wh. The earths population has doubled in the last 55 years and increased 7X since the battle of Gettysburg. Advances in Medical science and a plentiful food supply provided by the tapping of stored solar energy in the form of oil being the primary causes.
I feel the only way forward politically is in .some form of multiple world wide dictatorships. No idea how that could work or even be achieved but democratic government will never be able to introduce unpopular measures designed to slow down the destruction of the planet. Imagine any govt in this country putting the restriction of overseas holidays or doubling the cost of electricity/gas/petrol etc in their election manifestos!

btw I do believe that ALL nations should be levied a %age of GDP to pay equatorial regions (Brazil for starters) to simply restore the jungles and forests to the way they were. Co2 capture and O2 production is far more important and should be far more lucrative than simply being fortunate enough to be able to pump oil and gas out of underground reserves for example.
 
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Steve Moss

Steve Moss

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On one level, the solution is prosperity. As people become prosperous and look to upward social mobility, they have fewer children as they wish to harness what resources they have to advance their children’s socioeconomic status. That’s why the West is under a 2.0 in its population replacement looking to native births and needs immigration to increase population levels. If we made South and Central America, Africa and Asia prosperous, and indoctrinated them in bourgeoise values, we’d quickly see something similar in developing countries.

It’s why my wife and I limited ourselves to two children. We wanted to get them out of university, into homes and starting their lives as professionals without incurring debt. In hindsight that may have been a mistake. I think we turned out to be excellent parents (which in my particular case was to my great surprise) and our kids appear to not need anywhere near the amount of help we thought as they are very high achievers. We could have had six children and I think it would have been a net benefit to our community.

If I were an environmentalist, I’d be advocating two children households (which is below replacement level) and opposing immigration so the open areas remain open and resist human encroachment. By adding people, they increase the pressure to encroach into these open areas.

I don’t see any need for dictatorships, however. Unless, of course, I were the duly elected dictator in which case it would be vitally important.
 
Drog

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Am I being cynical if I say that that rucksack was no doubt a freebie and she might also have been paid to place it s prominently in her photograph? Let's be honest here there is no way that kid could carry all that stuff as implied by that photo is there?
I'm not saying it's 100% a set up but this promoting brands subliminally occurs all the time in films etc now doesn't it? None more obvious than the FedEx sponsored 'Castaway' featuring Tom Hanks.
 
Drog

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Drog said:
Indeed so b&wh. The earths population has doubled in the last 55 years and increased 7X since the battle of Gettysburg. Advances in Medical science and a plentiful food supply provided by the tapping of stored solar energy in the form of oil being the primary causes.
I feel the only way forward politically is in some form of multiple world wide dictatorships. No idea how that could work or even be achieved but democratic government will never be able to introduce unpopular measures designed to slow down the destruction of the planet. Imagine any govt in this country putting the restriction of overseas holidays or doubling the cost of electricity/gas/petrol etc in their election manifestos!

btw I do believe that ALL nations should be levied a %age of GDP to pay equatorial regions (Brazil for starters) to simply restore the jungles and forests to the way they were. Co2 capture and O2 production is far more important and should be far more lucrative than simply being fortunate enough to be able to pump oil and gas out of underground reserves for example.
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Seems Sir David has been visiting our site!;)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51252222
 
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CLW-BRFC

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This storm is testing our windows. And scaring the kids. I am sick of hearing people ask, Why is every storm named after a woman ?.
 
Drog

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'Desmond' wasn't.
 
Old Darwen Blue

Old Darwen Blue

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Sorry for being a bit sad but if they are named in accordance with the American model then they are named from A to Z and alternate between Male and Female names.
 
Drog

Drog

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Is global warming all that bad? I think I'd quite like a sea view and a beach at the bottom of the garden.
 
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