Next Conservative Leader

[Wilpshire Blue]

I'm becoming more convinced that we need a General Election.
The numbers currently on both sides in the Commons results in stagnation and a seemingly unending chaos.
I doubt that Corbyn would win but, of course, the Conservatives are now frightened to death of the Farage factor, so they won't call one until it is absolutely necessary and the self-serving with disregard to the will of the people will carry on.

If Boris is voted in as the new PM, he probably has an opportunity to come out with some bold statements, call a snap election and try to get a decent majority before he has the chance to screw up and lose credibility.
Won't happen though, will it?

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

When the hopeless, contemptible Liam Fox is telling you that your Brexit delusions are too far fetched then there really is no hope for you.

https://news.sky.com/story/internat...rubbishes-boris-johnsons-brexit-plan-11747550

 

[Steve Moss]

If the Conservatives are so concerned about the Farage factor, why haven’t they called a meeting and worked out a deal with the Brexit Party? A written commitment to leave the EU October 31 come hell or highwater, coupled with an agreement to form a coalition government regardless of the result, should do it. The Conservatives should then win handily, or at least not be reduced to irrelevance.

 

[Drog]

Stuffed shirt egos perhaps Steve?
I believe a few conservatives would think that they have a tiger by the tail and might be creating a monster. In fact I'd imagine a number of tories would rather suffer a Labour govt under the present kamikaze leadership for a period than a competent rival.
Let's be honest Farage is a people's choice type of politician, a consumate media performer who could easily overshadow the Conservative leader (whoever that may be) in some sort of coalition. Plus lets not forget that common sense has been a complete stranger to that part of Westminster for very many years with despite sugary words and popular sound bytes political ideals come a long way before the overall good of the nation.

 

[The Mask]

"59% of Britains would not buy a used car off Boris Johnson - a more damning verdict than for any other of the original Tory leadership candidates. Only 13% say they would. Nonetheless 47% think Johnson could win a Gen Election. "
YouGov/ Sunday Times

 

[The Mask]

"If we say politicians cannot have done anything racy at university, the only politician that you would have left is me."
Jacob Rees-Mogg / Sunday Times

 

[Drog]

I was away this week and missed the Andrew Neil interview with Hunt and Johnson. I have now watched it on iPlayer this morning. Confirms my earlier opinion that both of these should have been amongst the first out of the race. I'm not sure Hunt has the presence to drive brexit through whilst I am sure that Johnson is a fraud and will turn out to be an unmitigated disaster. Neil's disdain of Boris Johnson's suitability and credentials for the job was plain to see. Boris's chief ability being to bluff and bluster through questions without answering them. Michael Gove should be lauded for outing him in 2016.

Is it too late to nominate the Excellent Neil for the post of PM with Portillo as Chancellor, Farage as Foreign Sec and Rees Mogg as Home Sec?

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

Neil's disdain of Boris Johnson's suitability and credentials for the job was plain to see.

Haven’t watched the interview but I’d dispute Johnson is unsuitable. Same education as Cameron, Gove, Hunt etc. 7 years as an MP, 8 years as Mayor of London, 2 years as foreign secretary. Good enough credentials for me.

I agree he’s an eccentric character but given the PM is always ultimately decided as somewhat of a popularity contest, I’d argue it’s the stuffed shirts you mentioned further up the thread that are generally unsuitable for the role. Gordon Brown being a prime example of how a PM with zero charisma can quickly see people turn on them.

 

[Drog]

Haven’t watched the interview but I’d dispute Johnson is unsuitable. Same education as Cameron, Gove, Hunt etc. 7 years as an MP, 8 years as Mayor of London, 2 years as foreign secretary. Good enough credentials for me.

I agree he’s an eccentric character but given the PM is always ultimately decided as somewhat of a popularity contest, I’d argue it’s the stuffed shirts you mentioned further up the thread that are generally unsuitable for the role. Gordon Brown being a prime example of how a PM with zero charisma can quickly see people turn on them.

Boris interview starts about 30 mins in........ https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episo...ervative-leadership-jeremy-hunt-boris-johnson
He's just embarrassingly vacuous.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

Alexander de Pfeiffel is all bluster, and no detail.

If people are going to take his time as London mayor as a guide to his prime ministerial behaviour, then we can take it there will be a continuation of Johnson's shameless lying, financial profligacy, crass disregard of public consultation and opinion and abuse of office to reward friends, cronies and in at least one case sex partners.

To take a couple of examples, he promised to consult on the Western Congestion Charging Zone in 2008 and when elected mayor I indeed as a resident of the affected area received a questionnaire on whether to retain it or not. The published result showed 57% of responses supported it, but he disregarded the result and abolished it, with predictable consequences for air quality.

Apart from all the questionable practices in awarding the ludicrous 'garden bridge' design contract to 'family and friends' of the Joanna Lumley circle, the London taxpayer had to pay for the employment of the mother of one of his children.

When he was confronted over having flouted rules on public advertising of the job he gave the mother of his child, his response was 'oh I didn't know that'.

And then there was his disastrous tenure of the foreign office.

Johnson has never been fit to hold any public office. There seems to be a particular disease among certain Anglo-Saxon conservatives that has taken them from being the upholders of personal ethics and responsibility to revelling in the depravity and corruption of Trump and Johnson.

Chris

 

[Drog]

Indeed so John. Boris Johnson could turn out to be every bit as damaging to the long term future of the Conservative Party as selecting Corbyn as leader has been to the Labour Party.

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

Indeed so John. Boris Johnson could turn out to be every bit as damaging to the long term future of the Conservative Party as selecting Corbyn as leader has been to the Labour Party.

What a collectors item, agreeing with Jim Well as a general rule I don't read anything he posts and I find the left as a whole so moronic these days in their slavering eagerness to label everyone right of Tom Watson as right-wing that I dismiss their opinions out of hand. So not interested in their dislike of Boris but what's your argument specifically that makes him unfit?

 

[Drog]

I just believe that he is a bumptious fool. A court jester. He attempted to continually divert, blather and filibuster his way through Andrew Neil's questions. As many people say his attention to detail is remarkably (and worryingly) lacking. I'd wager the majority of his rivals would have known what Article 24 paragraph 5C would appertain to when he was forced to admit that he doesn't have a bloody clue! Surely he should know such detail like the back of his hand.

Listen to
43 mins Loose lips
58mins 20 seconds for a summary of Boris Johnson.
Then go to
59mins 30 seconds just before Neil cuts him off at the knees. Nuff said. He's almost as much a bloody danger to our nation as Corbyn and McDonell and their chums in Momentum.

 

[Drog]

I've got it! It's been bugging me who Boris Johnson reminds me of.

It's Selwyn bloody Froggitt!!!!!



And that is most definitely not magic!

 

[Wilpshire Blue]

Not sure he'd order a pint of cookin' and a bag of nuts!

 

[Drog]

Now that the Court Jester has taken residence in No 10 I have to say that my opinion of him can only go up! tbh I see Johnson as little more than a front of house man who needs to keep his trap shut as much as possible!
Lots of changes to the Cabinet, but my question is are they his changes or have the men in grey suits been selecting the personnel in the background in return for getting him in power? Rees Mogg for starters. Did some of the candidates for PM step down in return for Cabinet responsibility? I'd say that's a definite yes.
One thing I think we should keep an eye on is the Western Union share price now that Sajid Javid is in No 11.

 

[Drog]

Now I don't know who chose the Cabinet but I must admit it's got a brexit feel to it as opposed to May's surrender monkeys.

I still believe the best way fwd after the referendum was for the govt to enter into a coalition made up of MP's who either supported brexit or whose constituents had voted Leave, followed by a Gen Election a year after we had actually left would have been the way forward. It worked when this nation was threatened militarily by europe so why wouldn't it work when we are threatened economically?

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

"The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous." -- Joseph Goebbels

Alexander Kemal follows the Tory party line

 

[Drog]

Hmmmm I didn't see that coming! Old JD quoting the words of Chief Nazi No 2 Joseph Goebbals eh? Hitler and Nazi Germany's propaganda Minister who on the news that Hitler had blown his brains out then elected to murder his six children with cyanide before committing suicide with his wife in Berlin '45 and with the Red Army just down the road . That's a real turn up for these pages I must say! Goebbals of course whose leader, whose empire and whose complete ambitions were destroyed by Winston Churchill's 'stupid thick-headed' leadership.
You'll be treating us to quotes from Mein Kampf next.

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

Who quotes Joseph Goebells in SUPPORT of their argument? Guy has lost the plot.

Got any tidbits from Robert Mugabe or Harold Shipman to share with us Jim?