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Benjamin Kaynine

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47414699

ITV News last commendably brought "failing Grayling" to task in its lead story but the blitheness and lack of contrition in Grayling is, of course, partially driven by not being held to account by a Tory supporting media heavily concentrated in the hands of offshore tax dodgers and other such parasites, whose interests the Conservative Party exists to serve.

However, even if Tory HQ replaces this the hard right zealot Brexiteer Grayling, you can rest assured that they stand ever ready to shovel our taxes towards the next corporate welfare scrounger or gouging private sector rent-seeker who needs a hand-out after yet another one of their lunatic radical right ideological experiment has failed ignominiously.

And, of course, we can rest assured that the Conservative party will be kept amply supplied with such crackpot radical right wheezes from shadowy, Group-of-Nine dark money lobbyists such as the so-called 'Institute of Economic Affairs'.

It is remarkable that a sentient being with a pulse - not least anyone from the north - could walk into a polling booth, put a cross in the box next to the words "Conservative Party" and walk out again.

Chris
 
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Drog

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I've never known our politics in such a dreadful state. Prob down to the opportunities afforded by social media.
 
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Drog

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Benjamin Kaynine said:
It is remarkable that a sentient being with a pulse - not least anyone from the north - could walk into a polling booth, put a cross in the box next to the words "Conservative Party" and walk out again.
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Ditto that statement with putting a cross alongside Labour / LibDems. They've all been infiltrated with dodgepots who put their politics before the good of the nation. See my post above.
 
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Smells Like Kean Spirit

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Benjamin Kaynine said:
Can the Tory right wing explain what Williamson has done wrong here ?

It is not anti-Semitic to criticise Israeli government policy. To use that as a tool to attack supporters of Corbyn and the Labour party itself is even worse than real anti-Semitism - it undermines legitimate concerns.

This is an excellent article that exposes the hypocrisy of people such as Jonathan Freedland and Chuka Umunna when they make allegations of anti-Semitism against Corbyn and his supporters.

It also comments on the findings of the 2016 Commons Home Affairs Committee inquiry into anti-Semitism, which found that anti-Semitism pollutes all the main parties equally, with the far right responsible for three quarters of anti-Semitic incidents in the UK.

http://salvage.zone/in-print/jewophobia-2/

Chris
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@jim mk2: nobody is suggesting that it's anti-Semitic to criticise the Israeli government. The issue, for most right thinking people, is with Williamson's Jew baiting.

Let's look at the charge sheet, shall we. Prior to Williamson's latest rant against those uppity Jews, for having the chutzpah to complain about the ugly intimidation of Jewish people at conference, and constituency level, since the rise of Corbyn and Momentum, Williamson already has a record as long as his neck. Here's just a few examples:
  • Supporting the screening in Parliament of a Jackie Walker film - the same Jackie Walker who is currently suspended from the Labour Party for claiming it was the "Jews" wot were the “chief financiers” of the slave trade;
  • Opposing the ban by Islington council of jazz musician Gilad Atzom for asserting that “...Hitler might have been right after all” and that the U.S. is in the throes of “Jewification”;
  • Endorsing Peter Willsman's election to Labour's NEC after Willsman had blamed Jewish “Trump fanatics” for whipping up accusations of Labour's anti-Semitism;
  • Attacking the British Board of Deputies on Twitter in the immediate aftermath of the murder of 11 worshippers at prayer in a Pittsburgh synagogue last October.
I'm sure you'll agree that Williamson's "legitimate concerns" pay no heed whatsoever to the Israeli government. So-called liberal anti-Zionists have a desultory tendency to conflate Jews, Judaism and Israel together, and this is precisely the warped worldview that characterises Williamson's latest outburst against Jewish people.

So, now that you've been provided with information about Williamson (which apparently you didn't know about but has been well known for years and has been all over the media for the past few days), and since I have explained to you "what Williamson has done wrong here", I' ll ask you a question jim/john/chris:

Are you willing to condemn Williamson and everything he said and/or endorsed above?
 
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European project in WW2 ffs!!! What an ignorant gob shyte. Problem with some people is that they have no sense of shame or embarrassment have they? I know I sound old but comparing the current incumbents of the House of Commons (both sides) to those that I recall from the 60's leaves very much to be desired. Falling standards are endemic in our nation these days.
 
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Smells Like Kean Spirit

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Benjamin Kaynine said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47435565


What is funniest is that this is for Britain's "left behind" towns and it was the Tories (and not the EU) who left them behind.

The cynicism is repellant.

£33m to keep libraries open ? Impossible, we don't have the money

£33m to pay off one of Grayling's bungles - payment within 24 hours

The Germans understand

http://www.spiegel.de/international...-the-uk-from-its-real-problems-a-1249990.html

Chris
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@jim mk2, I have answered your question about "what Williamson has done wrong here". So, I' ll ask you the question again:

Are you willing to condemn the Jew baiter Chris Williamson and the vile anti-Semites he endorses?
 
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Drog

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Doubt you'll get an answer tbh SLKS. His usual tactic is to clam up when his back is to the wall.
 
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Benjamin Kaynine

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Islamophobia is rife in the Tory party

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-po...bia-claims-in-conservative-party-warsi-on-may

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/05/tories-suspend-14-members-over-alleged-islamophobia

https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...ong-tory-party-does-have-islamophobia-problem

which the Tory party is trying to ignore

http://www.mcb.org.uk/wp-content/up...is_ConservativeChair-LetterTwo_26June2018.pdf

What's even worse is that the BBC's heavyweight political presenter Andrew Neil is the chair of the right wing Spectator magazine which published a disgraceful article calling for more anti-Muslim bigotry in politics.

Neil and any number of BBC journalists spew faux outrage about Labour's alleged anti-Semitism problem yet Neil is perfectly happy to turn a blind eye to outright calls for more anti-Muslim bigotry in the Tory ranks.

Questions should also be asked why the BBC are happy to have Neil continue as front man for their supposedly impartial political coverage

Chris
 
OnlyOneTugay

OnlyOneTugay

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A very serious development , according to Laura Kunnesberg the BBC reporter who needed security to protect her at the Labour Party Conference. Looks like she’ll be targeted again after reporting on this .

The EHRC considering using their statutory enforcement powers to investigate anti-Semitism in the Party . Not before time I’d say , and as Margaret Hodge implies , there should be nothing less than a full blown enquiry .

This starts with the leader , the anti-Semite Corbyn, acknowledged as a racist by some of his own MPs , all the way down to the racist thugs in local constituencies forcing out the likes of Luciana Berger . A pregnant woman who also needed security to protect her and her unborn baby . Thankfully she recently had her baby , without any complications. A very brave and courageous lady .

As you say WB this isn’t going away . The media must continue to highlight this serious scourge that infects the Labour Party from the top to the bottom.

All in all a very serious development, instituted by the very Equality Commission set up by Labour .
 
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OnlyOneTugay

OnlyOneTugay

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Dianne Abbott should hang her head in shame . Her mock indignation about Amber Rudd’s comment is gross hypocrisy. At least Rudd had the good grace to apologise .

Has Abbott ever apologised for saying West Indian Mums will go to the wall for their children and that white people love playing divide and rule ? Not a chance . She’s a total and complete embarrassment .

Hypocritical Momentum Labour needs to realise that it can’t pick and choose what types of racism it finds acceptable and concentrate on putting all its energies into the pending very serious investigation by the EHRC.
 
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Benjamin Kaynine said:
And they're at it again today.

Racism and Islamophobia endemic within the Tory party.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...phobia-baroness-Warsi-tory-peer-bbc-newsnight

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47488047
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Obviously all this stuff is a diversionary tit for tat tactic to deflect accusations of anti semitism in the Labour party as well as racism charges against Corbyn but I despair over our nation sometimes.
Islamophobia and Sajid Javid. I'm with this. This nation is a christian nation and therefore the PM should be Christian. Putting a member of a minority religion is hardly the best way forward is it? Especially when Islam is not known for it's fairness and tolerance toward other religions. Obviously much better still if any future public figure were committed atheists mind but that's just my opinion.

Moving on to the last link....
Why should Rudd apologise for a simple slip of the tongue? Not long ago I recall we were actively instructed and encouraged to use the term coloured in order to comply with the political correctness of the time. As a very young child I rem reading Enid Blyton's Sunny Stories. These were children's stories of course and would have been written in the late 40's early 50's, in all innocence according to the language of the day and with no intention of being contentious or provocative in any way. One particular story featured the 3 little Golliwogs (Golly, Woggie and Nigger). I can rem my Mother saying to me 'don't use the word Nigger, you must say Negro now'. I need to point out that Negro as most will know is actually the word for Black in Spanish, or more pertinently Portugese who colonised much of West Africa. That was all well and good until the 70's-80's when for some reason we were urged to use the word 'Coloured' instead. Twenty years on and coloured was again replaced by 'Black' and an inaccuracy in itself to boot isn't it? It's all gone almost full circle. So when the term black is replaced in the next few years as it inevitably will what will be next and how long before future politicians are chastised and derided for using the term Black?
It is all well intentioned I'm sure but it is well intentioned nonsense and I can't stand it. There are no more Gypsies, Romanies etc, now they are apparently to be referred to as 'travellers'. Travellers in my early years being salesmen or peculiar estate cars with back windows in wood frames! Pakistan will cease to exist soon as (never mind the Indians / Chinese / USA electing to nuke it one day in order to make the world a happier place) our educationalists and assorted PC crew have virtually banned all mention of the correct name for the homeland of circa 150 million people and instead now solely refer to that part of the Indian sub-continent as asia and the people as asians. Completely wrong and inaccurate of course but it does suit the liberal wussies in the home counties and make them feel much better as they wallow in their ignorance.
All that and I haven't even mentioned homosexuals and the like yet. No wonder people become confused.
 
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