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I think you are doing Bowyer a disservice. For one the parachute payments had already been spewed or rather spirited away by Kean and Anderson. Remember the stupid wages and transfer deals on the drip to which the club was obligated to pay must have already spoken for the 3rd years reduced parachute payment before Bowyer was placed in charge. Secondly no manager in football can actually sign the cheques. Thirdly I can't be sure but I think Bowyers transfer dealings would have actually made money for the club.
Why? Because he didn't manage Burnley? A poor manager is a poor manager.
dingles staying down
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To be fair Bowyer had many faults, parachute payment squandering was not one of them. The money was spent before he got the gig. It is why he got the gig in the first place. The payments were wasted on the likes of Best, Murphy and Ethou then paying them off.
dingles staying down
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If Mowbray had been employed earlier chances are we'd have stayed up. The points per game ratio he got proved that but I agree he is a poor manager.
Skiptonrover
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He's a good egg Tony, given time he will come good, the only way to get people onside though is to win games & be more consistent.
dingles staying down
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Consistent comes from playing the same XI week in week out, not from chopping and changing from one game to the next.
Skiptonrover
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I know true, I seriously think sometimes Tony actually studiously over analyses the opposition instead of keeping it simple that's the fly in ointment. To a certain degree in fairness recently he's been hamstrung with injuries & suspensions.
In fairness whilst he has been guilty of that he's also been unfortunate as he's been unable to play the same X1 because of injuries and suspensions. As I said earlier if I rated the players on a 1-10 basis all the players who are unavailable come from the top half of my list.
Just as an aside Mowbray appears to have got the squad fitter than they were under Coyle (not that difficult I'd suggest) but I believe that there is still some way to go with some of the players.
Sorry Skipton... I think I've effectively repeated your opinion.
blueandwhitehalves
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Exactly. Coyle isn't the anti-christ, he's a nice guy and a poor manager, just like Mowbray.
Skiptonrover
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You have but in a comprehensive form, I just keep things short I'm a man of few words.
blueandwhitehalves
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The parachute payments amounted to £48m in installments over 4 years, Bowyer being the manager at the start of 3 of those. The idea that he didn't benefit from it at all I just don't agree with.
Our period of phenomenal success under Williams was based on putting the money into wages rather than transfer fees. Our net transfer spend from 2001-10 was about -£20m and 85% of our revenue went on player wages.
Bowyer had one of the biggest wage budgets in the Championship. His second full season he had Rhodes, Gestede, King, Olsson, Cairney, Duffy, Hanley, Marshall and Conway at his disposal and finished 11 points outside the play-offs. Should have achieved automatic with that lot.
As i say its like Groundhog Day with Mowbray, a third of the way into the season and already 11 points behind 2nd.
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dingles staying down
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Ive seen no evidence that we are fitter. I still maintain Rovers are one of the few teams that cannot last 90 minutes. Evans, Bennett, Whittingham, Graham, Conwy and Dack are clear examples of the team running out of steam after an hour. It is the reason why we drop further and further back every game.
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ABBEY
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He's a lying prick
Caretaker manager surely? They don't often get their hands on the cheque book do they?
No one knows how much he was given to spend anyway. The parachute payments diminished every year so there wouldn't be much by the last year and especially if we were committed to paying big wages and transfers on the drip for dodgy players bought by a dodgy manager. Notwithstanding all that I wish Mowbray had managed to discover bargain players or real quality like seven of the ones on your list.
blueandwhitehalves
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Sorry meant to say seasons not years. He was the full time manager at the start of 3 seasons.
Well thats the point i was making, he was given very little to spend because our wage bill was so massive we were losing about £20m a season under him. Wage bill is more important than transfer budget in my opinion. There's plenty of situations in which to get good players on the cheap if you can offer high wages but it never works the other way round.
Bowyer had the wage budget in spades and should have achieved accordingly. But as khmerblue rightly said (albeit a post after calling the Mowbray critics spoilt brats) its a game of opinions so i guess we just see that one differently. To be fair he proved me wrong with Blackpool last season, i was expecting another choke job.
As far as I'm concerned bwh whilst Bowyer isn't a great manager and perhaps wouldn't have been a manager of my choosing he doesn't deserve the criticism that he got given some of the others that we have had. In fact imo he is the best manager that we have had since Allardyce and probably the 3rd/4th best manager this century. Especially so when taking into account that professional football isn't just a sport it's also a business.... in fact most Board members would consider that necessity frequently renders it a business before it's a sport.
Statistically. Lambert would still be more likely to be offered a Championship job for good reason.
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I still think if he'd got the summer he'd be ok