The real Brexit thread

[Drog]

Hail St Margaret.

 

[Alan]

Hail St Margaret.

Don't start that again.

 

[Drog]

Now now Al. Who would you prefer to head up the UK today with Brexit to sort out.... Thatcher or any one of (or all for that matter) Callaghan/Kinnock/ Blair/Brown/Mlliband/Corbyn?

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

For all her faults (and she had many), Thatcher was a committed European. Any of those Labour leaders would do better than the current omnishambles being orchestrated by Maybot. Tell me exactly, what's her "plan" this week?

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

Keep it valid and let's have less obvious wumming Benjamin please.

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There was no "wumming" - and if there was, at least 5 of the subsequent posts were guilt of it too. Neither was the post a "personal insult" as was also suggested; it was merely an observation of the type of Brexiteer attitudes portrayed in that post.

 

[Alan]

Now now Al. Who would you prefer to head up the UK today with Brexit to sort out.... Thatcher or any one of (or all for that matter) Callaghan/Kinnock/ Blair/Brown/Mlliband/Corbyn?

You know my opinion of that witch. Just leave it Gord!

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

Now now Al. Who would you prefer to head up the UK today with Brexit to sort out.... Thatcher or any one of (or all for that matter) Callaghan/Kinnock/ Blair/Brown/Miliband/Corbyn?

I'd rather have Coco the Clown then any of that motley crew . Having said that , some of the nonsense coming out of the EU about the " Brexit " bill makes me think they have their fair share ( of clowns )

 

[yoda]

There was no "wumming" - and if there was, at least 5 of the subsequent posts were guilt of it too. Neither was the post a "personal insult" as was also suggested; it was merely an observation of the type of Brexiteer attitudes portrayed in that post.

I didn't see any of this in the subsequent posts " the smug, selfish, backward-looking older generation that couldn't care less about the young and the sort of country they leave behind when they die"
and by this statement
"No wonder that the young and progressive, forward looking people who will have to rebuild the nation's economy after 2019"
Am I right to assume you mean exclusively left wing students, Corbynistas and wannabe elites as the saviours of your predicted armageddon ?
Might be a good time to point out that it is precisely those types (in the EU) that got us to this point in the 1st place.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

For all her faults (and she had many), Thatcher was a committed European. Any of those Labour leaders would do better than the current omnishambles being orchestrated by Maybot. Tell me exactly, what's her "plan" this week?

I'm not so sure about that Benjamin if you're talking about the EU. Apparently Mrs Thatcher had reached the conclusion that UK would be better off outside , after the Maastricht Treaty was ratified in 1992 . In her memoirs published in 2002 , she said the EU needs us more than we need them and that it was not unthinkable for the UK to leave .

I'm a committed European and love what the continent has to offer , but I don't tend to mix up the EU with Europe - totally different . The EU is a political project , and a failing one at that .

 

[chor808]

I'm not so sure about that Benjamin if you're talking about the EU. Apparently Mrs Thatcher had reached the conclusion that UK would be better off outside , after the Maastricht Treaty was ratified in 1992 . In her memoirs published in 2002 , she said the EU needs us more than we need them and that it was not unthinkable for the UK to leave .

I'm a committed European too and love what the continent has to offer , but I don't tend to mix up the EU with Europe - totally different . The EU is a political project , and a failing one at that .

Nail head.

 

[chor808]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41229806

Is Labour the new remain party? Looks like JC wants to talk about staying in the single market, or are they twisting his words?

If Labour do too much rolling back on the ref result I'd expect them to get bashed at the polls. Lots of Labour voters voted out. You know those old, greedy, selfish, smug, backward looking Corbyn supporting labour voters.

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

It's these sort of people who voted for Brexit - the smug, selfish, backward-looking older generation that couldn't care less about the young and the sort of country they leave behind when they die. No wonder that the young and progressive, forward looking people who will have to rebuild the nation's economy after 2019, have rejected the Conservative party and embraced Jeremy Corbyn's Labour.

I voted Leave solely because I think 1 million plus Muslims entering Europe illegally per year, almost all men, will have a profoundly negative effect on progression, security and freedom.

However this negative effect will be too long term to cause too much damage in my lifetime and the horse bolted about 50 years ago in Blackburn anyway and I actually work there, live just outside it and spend a fair bit of time there unlike the ribble valley liberals.

So really it won't affect me. But it will affect the coming generations. Integration can work in this country if immigration is reduced massively, and we can't reduce it in the EU. Its as simple as that really.

If that's being selfish then I wouldn't like to say what I think about the left's praise-craving virtue-signalling self-satisfaction crusade, almost always conducted at a geographical remove from the practicalities of what they're pompously preaching about.

 

[yoda]

I voted Leave solely because I think 1 million plus Muslims entering Europe illegally per year, almost all men, will have a profoundly negative effect on progression, security and freedom.

However this negative effect will be too long term to cause too much damage in my lifetime and the horse bolted about 50 years ago in Blackburn anyway and I actually work there, live just outside it and spend a fair bit of time there unlike the ribble valley liberals.

So really it won't affect me. But it will affect the coming generations. Integration can work in this country if immigration is reduced massively, and we can't reduce it in the EU. Its as simple as that really.

If that's being selfish then I wouldn't like to say what I think about the left's praise-craving virtue-signalling self-satisfaction crusade, almost always conducted at a geographical remove from the practicalities of what they're pompously preaching about.

I thought RV was Tory, apart from Jim

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

The Tories were pro-Remain, both in leadership message and MP majority.

To be fair the RV was 56-44 Leave, but compared to Pendle (63-37), Hyndburn (66-34) and Burnley (67-33) it was more even.

Was just using it as a local example of those who wax lyrical on the benefits of immigration whilst they (or their parents) have gone to considerable expense to remove themselves from the practicalities of it.

 

[yoda]

The Tories were pro-Remain, both in leadership message and MP majority.

To be fair the RV was 56-44 Leave, but compared to Pendle (63-37), Hyndburn (66-34) and Burnley (67-33) it was more even.

Was just using it as a local example of those who wax lyrical on the benefits of immigration whilst they (or their parents) have gone to considerable expense to remove themselves from the practicalities of it.

Just teasing a little, there are reasonable priced properties available in the RV if you look around

 

[ABBEY]

Now now Al. Who would you prefer to head up the UK today with Brexit to sort out.... Thatcher or any one of (or all for that matter) Callaghan/Kinnock/ Blair/Brown/Mlliband/Corbyn?

Anyone of them but corbyn

 

[Drog]

Non fit for office or up to the job. Kinnock and his entire family have been on the eu gravy train for years. Blair's sees himself as some sort of elder statesman but is already bending over for any number of eurocrats. All this despite no one wanting him to stick his oar in. Whilst the rest of them would be way out of their depth to get a good deal for the nation.

btw I'm ashamed to say that I forgot to list Michael Foot. I've really no idea how I managed to miss him off my earlier list given his err terrific performances as leader of the opposition across the mace from Mrs Thatcher. Should have been a matter for the League against cruel sports.

 

[yoda]

Biggest trading block on the planet is callled the BRITISH COMMONWEALTH.

52 countries
On all continents
2.3 billion people
1/3 of worlds population
Shared heritage
Many with shared language
Emerging vibrant new economies
All elected democracies

End of debate.

 

[Victor_Kruger]

Junkers speech - frightening.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

Biggest trading block on the planet is callled the BRITISH COMMONWEALTH.

52 countries
On all continents
2.3 billion people
1/3 of worlds population
Shared heritage
Many with shared language
Emerging vibrant new economies
All elected democracies

End of debate.

James Dyson appears to be washing his hands on the EU and predicts that future trading opportunities will be with the dynamic economies of the Far East

http://news.sky.com/story/uk-should-make-a-clean-break-from-eu-says-james-dyson-11034559

I agree with his views on foreign students . Let's welcome them from all over the world as part of a sensibly managed and controlled immigration policy, one that the UK dictates and not one that is dictated to us, by unelected Eurocrats .

More good news for the UK economy yesterday, as employment surged to a record 75.3% of the working age population . The UK is a job creating machine and experts predict we could soon have the highest employment rate of any G7 nation. Nearly 70% of the new jobs went to women and only 8% were part time. The private sector accounted for 96% .

The anti UK / anti British left and their leaders ( Corbyn , his front bench and those rabid nationalists Sturgeon and that Welsh one ) won't be happy with this sort of good news .