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chor808

Senior Member
ultrablue said:
Insinuating a quarter of a million marching is not significant, while extolling the alleged rise of populism is so blinkered its comical.

And for a Brexiteer you seem to have no problem lumping us in with the rest of Europe. Compared to the continent the UK has long remained immune from opportunist rightwing extremists. You mention UKIP - a party with zero MPs and plummeting membership - hardly a party on the rise!

And you are probably realising too that Brexit has not and will not bring any significant power back to the people. All it is doing is cementing the rule of the Westminister elite and lobbyists. That is why Jeremy Corbyn - with whom I don't agree on much by the way - has a lot of popular support. It is he who is seen as the antidote to the traditional politician, a real alternative from the Left. Whereas the Right in Britain IS the Conservative Party and be it Boris, Rees-Mogg or Theresa, you cannot get more establishment elite than them.
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It's only comical if I'm doing it, where do I extol the far right? Please tell me I think that is important for you to clarify. I think you understand the part where I say 'we might not agree with these groups'. Of course ukip is dead they got what they wanted, sort of, but please understand why they came about and write it down without using racist or xenophobic in your reply. Sure some people are but the same can be said about people that voted for all parties.

Brexit should bring back power to the people, 100% it should. Again the word is democracy. If we don't like whoever is in power we can vote them out, that is the idea.

I like some of Corbyn's policy's by the way but I don't like others and you are right he is an alternative from the Left.

Of course I'm lumping us in with the rest of Europe we are European, that's where we live. Ask yourself again for right or wrong what is causing this shift to 'far' politics both left and right? It's not trump.

I'll say it again burying your head in the sand, laughing at the simpletons that voted a different way, ignoring the fears of people, name calling is not going stop the rise of 'far' politics. Good policy will.
 
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ultrablue

Member
Perhaps extol was the wrong - but I didnt say the 'far right', indeed I didnt use those words anywhere in the post. I said populism, which comes from the left and right. Downplaying protests from a huge number of people against what they fear is the West taking a step towards authoritarianism, while warning politicians against ignoring the people - that is the kind of hypocricy Im pointing out.

Call the Left what you will (not you personally, anyone) but i think they are more organised, more in number, and are having a greater impact on their respective mainstream party than any movement from the Right.
 
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yoda

yoda

Senior Member
ultrablue said:
Insinuating a quarter of a million marching is not significant, while extolling the alleged rise of populism is so blinkered its comical.

And for a Brexiteer you seem to have no problem lumping us in with the rest of Europe. Compared to the continent the UK has long remained immune from opportunist rightwing extremists. You mention UKIP - a party with zero MPs and plummeting membership - hardly a party on the rise!

And you are probably realising too that Brexit has not and will not bring any significant power back to the people. All it is doing is cementing the rule of the Westminister elite and lobbyists. That is why Jeremy Corbyn - with whom I don't agree on much by the way - has a lot of popular support. It is he who is seen as the antidote to the traditional politician, a real alternative from the Left. Whereas the Right in Britain IS the Conservative Party and be it Boris, Rees-Mogg or Theresa, you cannot get more establishment elite than them.
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What this country needs is a middle of the road party as the politics of the extreme momentum movement will never unite the country. The extreme right will also never unite the country.
Socialism as envisaged by momentum (who have taken control of Labour) has never delivered for any country that has experimented with it.
It is one off the great tragedies in UK politics that Labour has abandoned the working man and woman in this country, even with an inept PM it still can't get in front.
You also miss the point on Brexit, if a quarter of a million is significant, what is 17.4 million ?
The line saying only 99.9 % of the population protested against Trump is a direct challenge to Jim/Chris/Doris or what ever name he wants to choose, when he tries to say ALL non voters are remainers, which is a ridiculous stand point.
The EU (not Europe) during the last two years has demonstrated just what kind of "organisation" it really is, the quicker we are liberated from it the better, a point of view that Corbyn shares.
 
davebirch

davebirch

Senior Member
Yoda, you make some very interesting points in that post.
The extremes on both sides will never deliver anything but disaster.
I've never voted for a right wing party in my life, but I could never vote for a party of the left, that strays too far from the centre.
The best example of a centre left party is the government of Bob Hawke and Paul Keating in the mid 80's to the 90's in Aus. They delivered for the majority, so much so, that strikes , even now, are virtually non existent.
It seems there is a battle going on for the right to govern in the UK, but it's not being done through the ballot box. It's all media driven, and not being helped by the politics of the media organisations.

At the end of the day, the people will have their way, either by the ballot box or by insurrection.
 
Alan

Alan

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Staff member
chor808 said:
It's only comical if I'm doing it, where do I extol the far right? Please tell me I think that is important for you to clarify. I think you understand the part where I say 'we might not agree with these groups'. Of course ukip is dead they got what they wanted, sort of, but please understand why they came about and write it down without using racist or xenophobic in your reply. Sure some people are but the same can be said about people that voted for all parties.

Brexit should bring back power to the people, 100% it should. Again the word is democracy. If we don't like whoever is in power we can vote them out, that is the idea.

I like some of Corbyn's policy's by the way but I don't like others and you are right he is an alternative from the Left.

Of course I'm lumping us in with the rest of Europe we are European, that's where we live. Ask yourself again for right or wrong what is causing this shift to 'far' politics both left and right? It's not trump.

I'll say it again burying your head in the sand, laughing at the simpletons that voted a different way, ignoring the fears of people, name calling is not going stop the rise of 'far' politics. Good policy will.
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Chor. You waste your time debating what is right for Britain with someone who cares so much about it that he has abandoned it to live in a foreign country. He can spout racism etc all he wants he doesn't live with it.
 
yoda

yoda

Senior Member
davebirch said:
Yoda, you make some very interesting points in that post.
The extremes on both sides will never deliver anything but disaster.
I've never voted for a right wing party in my life, but I could never vote for a party of the left, that strays too far from the centre.
The best example of a centre left party is the government of Bob Hawke and Paul Keating in the mid 80's to the 90's in Aus. They delivered for the majority, so much so, that strikes , even now, are virtually non existent.
It seems there is a battle going on for the right to govern in the UK, but it's not being done through the ballot box. It's all media driven, and not being helped by the politics of the media organisations.

At the end of the day, the people will have their way, either by the ballot box or by insurrection.
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The most significant aspect of those 80's/90's policies is that Australia has not seen a recession in all that time up to the present day.
Australia is an independent sovereign country with a population of 24 million, it totally blows out of the water that the UK with a population 65 million with the 5th/6th largest economy on the planet cannot survive/thrive without the EU.
 
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ABBEY

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Alan said:
Chor. You waste your time debating what is right for Britain with someone who cares so much about it that he has abandoned it to live in a foreign country. He can spout racism etc all he wants he doesn't live with it.
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The racists were in full flow in London ...if you replace orange prick with black and Obama then it's total hypocrisy , of course they will argue they are different, but tell them LGT are fake news because you are either male or female then they get all uppity.
A certain ex brfcs owner is posting on Twitter that trump is actually akin to Steve K**n.
 
yoda

yoda

Senior Member
ABBEY said:
The racists were in full flow in London ...if you replace orange prick with black and Obama then it's total hypocrisy , of course they will argue they are different, but tell them LGT are fake news because you are either male or female then they get all uppity.
A certain ex brfcs owner is posting on Twitter that trump is actually akin to Steve K**n.
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Just shows how easily some are easily conditioned, said person even took up employment in Royston Vassey

:joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:
 
Drog

Drog

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Staff member
yoda said:
Socialism as envisaged by momentum (who have taken control of Labour) has never delivered for any country that has experimented with it.
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Saved me writing it yoda. Communist / Socialist states are old hat and consigned to the dustbin of history. Problem is that people are very different (not the production line babies in Brave New World) and left wing states cant subjugate it's citizens for very long. People simply don't feel equal to others and they aren't.
 
yoda

yoda

Senior Member
There is a media backlash starting in the USA in response to the demonstrations and our media coverage and who can blame them,

the contrast views is stark



 
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ultrablue

Member
yoda said:
The line saying only 99.9 % of the population protested against Trump is a direct challenge to Jim/Chris/Doris or what ever name he wants to choose, when he tries to say ALL non voters are remainers, which is a ridiculous stand point.
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If it was an in joke then fair enough - at least we all know the arguement is ridiculous. Not all non-voters were remainers, and there are clearly millions more Britons that can't stand Trump that weren't at the march (Polls have his approval rating in the UK at 11% for what its worth).
 
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