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Trump in the UK

Wilpshire Blue

Wilpshire Blue

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Trump won't give a stuff what his UK approval rating is, will he?

He's made the visit, met the Queen, played a bit of golf and left - job done!
 
yoda

yoda

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ultrablue said:
If it was an in joke then fair enough - at least we all know the arguement is ridiculous. Not all non-voters were remainers, and there are clearly millions more Britons that can't stand Trump that weren't at the march (Polls have his approval rating in the UK at 11% for what its worth).
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It is indeed ridiculous, Let Jim know lol

What counts is when people vote i.e. the referendum
 
davebirch

davebirch

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Trump is copping it from both sides over his meeting Putin.
Beginning of the end?
On this matter only, his decision making has been appalling.
 
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chor808

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davebirch said:
Trump is copping it from both sides over his meeting Putin.
Beginning of the end?
On this matter only, his decision making has been appalling.
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I'm in two minds about this, it has got to be better to open a dialog with Russia rather than do nothing, however that is route the Labour leader would and has taken and has been hammered (on here) for it.
 
Drog

Drog

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There is a difference between negotiating from strength and rolling over like a lapdog chor. I wonder if Putin's actually heard of Corbyn yet?
 
davebirch

davebirch

Senior Member
Nah, chor, he's jumped into bed with the US's most deadly enemy.
His hometown folk won't forgive or forget that.
The Russians can't trust the U S and vica versa.
 
Drog

Drog

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It's certainly unorthodox in my lifetime but Trump is a business man before a politician and therefore more adept / comfortable at 'dealing' face to face than via the Diplomatic bag. Note the old saying..."keep your friends close and your enemies closer"
 
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ultrablue

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Why all this special attention from Trump for Russia? They are a middling power at best with a GDP smaller than that of Brazil, Italy, and Canada. Why is Trump so insistent on pleasing them? The US-Russian relationship just does not have the scope to make anything much of an global impact. A clear indication of US shrinking stature under Trump's leadership.

The Russian bear is slow, old and fading further. Putin is excellent at grabbing undeserved international attention and seemingly even better at grabbing Trump by the dangly bits.

Well at least Trump got another picture for his 'here's me smiling next to a tyrant' photo album. It can go right next to the one with Kim Jong-il. After all the photos are all he's got to show for the two meetings.
 
yoda

yoda

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Well Russia do have more nukes than the USA, a credible space program and they are that slow they annexed the Crimea before the world had time to blink,
yeah you could be right, just ignore them, they will go away
 
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Vinjay

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Guess the entire "Cold War" (the most boring war in history some have called it) was Trump's fault as well. US/Russia relations are hardly a new story and it's likes of yourself ultrablue endlessly accusing Trump of Russian related shenanigans. As for his meeting with KJ it's only a few months ago people were fretting about Trump insulting KJ. Whatever KJ's faults he isn't unstable to the point calling him fat would be enough to trigger a nuclear war. OK Saddam said his invasion of Kuwait was sealed by a remark their President made about turning every Iraqi woman into a "10 dollar prostitute" but sure that was already an increasingly volatile situation over more usual grievances like oil, territory claims, etc.
 
yoda

yoda

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Wilpshire Blue said:
Some good points in there Steve.
Trump, being a businessman first and foremost, is going about things in a totally different way and kudos to the guy.
Screw the lefties
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Trump has ripped up the political status quo and replaced it with the 5 minute business ethos, no wonder the snowflakes are spinning :laughing:
 
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ultrablue

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yoda said:
Well Russia do have more nukes than the USA, a credible space program and they are that slow they annexed the Crimea before the world had time to blink,
yeah you could be right, just ignore them, they will go away
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Never said ignore them. But it is not at all clear what Trump wants from Russia and why he is willing to sell out so many of his own people to get it. With NK it was clear -he wanted them to give up their nukes. But with Putin he seemed to be walking on eggshells and got nothing of substance to show for it. Will Russia stop destablising Ukraine? Georgia? Stop with the cyber attacks? No.

As a much touted (several times bankrupt) businessman Trump should know he was negotiating from strength and needed clear goals. His only goal in hindsight seemed to be a friendship with Putin no matter the political price. Why? Surely Russia just arent worth that much to the world's only superpower.

Personally I think he cannot bring himself to say that Russia had a hand in his victory. Lets say Trump was unaware of any meddling amd there was no direct collusion as he insists there wasnt. He still has his monumental ego to protect - he is so insecure he wants to ignore the mounting evidence as he feels it delegitimises his presidency.
 
Steve Moss

Steve Moss

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ultrablue said:
Lets say Trump was unaware of any meddling amd there was no direct collusion as he insists there wasnt. He still has his monumental ego to protect - he is so insecure he wants to ignore the mounting evidence as he feels it delegitimises his presidency.
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What people, including you, seem to miss is that the Russians were just as surprised by Trump’s victory as Hillary. The Russian objective was not to get Trump elected. The objective was to pit one side against the other in American politics.

The Russians funded pro-Trump rallies. The Russians funded pro-Hillary rallies. The Russians put memes into play against both candidates. The Russians tried to hack both campaigns emails, succeeding with the Democrats (which became presumably WikiLeaks).

If Clinton had won half the population would have felt she was a crook and not entitled to support. If Trump won, ditto. End result, the American presidency is weakened which benefits Russia.

So Russia didn’t win the election for Trump or lose it for Hillary. [1]. What they did was undermine whoever did win.


[1] Comey might have through.
 
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ultrablue

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Steve Moss said:
So Russia didn’t win the election for Trump or lose it for Hillary. [1]. What they did was undermine whoever did win
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Right - which is all the more reason Trump should be able to challenge Putin directly. They attacked the US election - it does not matter who it targeted or if it was effective - it probably didnt have much of an impact overall to be honest. But the fact is the Russians attacked your democracy.

But Trump did nothing, I think because of his fragile ego. He THINKS it delegitimises him. But it may be because the Russiams have somethimg on him, or he is just intimidated by Putin. We saw a bully cower infront of a bigger and better bully. Then Trumps goes home and tries to tell everyone he just slightly misspoke. Pathetically weak.
 
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chor808

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ultrablue said:
Right - which is all the more reason Trump should be able to challenge Putin directly. They attacked the US election - it does not matter who it targeted or if it was effective - it probably didnt have much of an impact overall to be honest. But the fact is the Russians attacked your democracy.

But Trump did nothing, I think because of his fragile ego. He THINKS it delegitimises him. But it may be because the Russiams have somethimg on him, or he is just intimidated by Putin. We saw a bully cower infront of a bigger and better bully. Then Trumps goes home and tries to tell everyone he just slightly misspoke. Pathetically weak.
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Some good points and to be fair that is all we could see, what we cannot comment on is what they really talked about behind closed doors. Time will tell I expect.
 
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