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ABBEY
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I just heard, it was shit..he didn't say out ,twas
boring .
boring .
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ABBEY
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Got it on ...it's boring he said nowt of note on rovers/venkys ...two boring bastards
AllRoverAsia
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There's God and that crowd and next it' s Big Sam.
Fucking SuperHero.
Fucking SuperHero.
What did people expect him to say? He's always been self centred to an incredible extent considering he never won a thing aside from a playoff final and league 2. Remember the day he was sacked he had been invited to Old Trafford that night. He didn't want to show his face there after being sacked but was happy to do so just weeks after that disgraceful thrashing. Sums him up.
4th most games managed in Prem history and that isn't something to be scoffed at. His record speaks for itself and he doesn't need to continually justify himself. For every Man Utd and Chelsea there is a West Brom and a Stoke. Like Tony Pulis his qualities are seen to be in organising, motivating and instilling a strong team ethic and belief into players. I shouldn't really need to remind you of all this but as with so many terrace experts the shutters appear to have come down. Suffice to say if you were a Director of one of the 'lesser' lights in the Prem you would view his talents far more realistically and likely move heaven and earth to have him in charge.
I'd be in a much better place to judge the likes Pep, Mourhino and Wenger if ever they'd been given a squad like those at Bolton / BRFC / Sland to manage. As for self centred? How would you describe SAF and Mourhino?
I don't see Allardyce as a likeable character personally but I've never heard any players that have worked under him ever bad mouth him. They all appear to respect him greatly. Maybe not a supporters man but rather more a man's man.
I will always hold against him his unbelievable arrogance and foolishness which he displayed in setting himself up for that Telegraph sting when he'd finally got the job that put him first amongst equals as it were. He should have had it in 2008 when they gave the job to 'Wally' and to spew his big chance to make a real name for himself and shut all his critics up was inexcusably stupid. He well knows it too.
I'd be in a much better place to judge the likes Pep, Mourhino and Wenger if ever they'd been given a squad like those at Bolton / BRFC / Sland to manage. As for self centred? How would you describe SAF and Mourhino?
I don't see Allardyce as a likeable character personally but I've never heard any players that have worked under him ever bad mouth him. They all appear to respect him greatly. Maybe not a supporters man but rather more a man's man.
I will always hold against him his unbelievable arrogance and foolishness which he displayed in setting himself up for that Telegraph sting when he'd finally got the job that put him first amongst equals as it were. He should have had it in 2008 when they gave the job to 'Wally' and to spew his big chance to make a real name for himself and shut all his critics up was inexcusably stupid. He well knows it too.
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ABBEY
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A crook and hoofball...no thanks
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ABBEY
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Only venky rovers do keep up
Ferguson and Mourinho are certainly arrogant but you can't compare them to Allardyce. Both of those people have won major honours in football. Allardyce is a rather dumpy looking sort of man who had a solid career in football but nothing to justify his egotism that came with it. That was the only thing big about him. Clubs he thought he was a cut above were much bigger and he couldn't have made a bigger cockup losing the England job. Fact he got the job says more about the calibre of English managers than it does about him.
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He could of been Madrid's greatest don't ya know
blueandwhitehalves
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Does it really matter if he's arrogant? He was the manager of the football team we support, not an applicant for your kid's godfather. There are all manner of unsavoury characters in football, many a lot worse than Allardyce. But even 99.99% of the saintly characters are pure mercenaries. If we've got someone and they're successful then thats it as far as I'm concerned.
Otherwise we should have kept Coyle if personality is more important because he was a really nice bloke. And yet under Big Sam we were averaging 25,000 and last season we averaged 13,000. Some fans say they care about results and their wallets say they care about results. Some fans say they care about personalities, ethics, honour, aesthetics, decency etc and their wallets say they care about results.
Otherwise we should have kept Coyle if personality is more important because he was a really nice bloke. And yet under Big Sam we were averaging 25,000 and last season we averaged 13,000. Some fans say they care about results and their wallets say they care about results. Some fans say they care about personalities, ethics, honour, aesthetics, decency etc and their wallets say they care about results.
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It does matter because after the last few years this club has been disrespected enough. Zero tolerance. First thing any new owner should do is fire numerous club employees and make the rest apply for their jobs again. Not just because in some cases its completely justified but also to show they won't be messed around. By general employees, agents, players, managers or anyone.
I'm OK with some people who may have an ego and a bit of arrogance. When they act like they are above this club and disrespect it they cross the line. Allardyce thought he was above Blackburn Rovers and he wasn't even close. If anything it was the other way round and just because they replaced him with an idiot it shouldn't change that viewpoint.
Brian Clough once fired a couple of tealadies for laughing after a defeat. He was right.
I'm OK with some people who may have an ego and a bit of arrogance. When they act like they are above this club and disrespect it they cross the line. Allardyce thought he was above Blackburn Rovers and he wasn't even close. If anything it was the other way round and just because they replaced him with an idiot it shouldn't change that viewpoint.
Brian Clough once fired a couple of tealadies for laughing after a defeat. He was right.
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blueandwhitehalves
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Couldn't disagree more. I was there for Ince's last game, a woeful 3-0 defeat at Wigan, and we looked an absolute shambles. Nailed on certs for relegation.
Ok Allardyce had failed with a very impatient Newcastle but prior to that at Bolton he'd matched 2 of our best ever managers in my opinion in Souness and Hughes, and without a Walker Trust around to bolster his transfer kitty every season.
He was perfect for Rovers when we got him and it was an uncharacterstically foolhardy decision by Williams (possibly influenced by a demented fan Facebook campaign) to not hire him instead of Ince 6 months before.
And what did he achieve from the ashes of Ince's debacle? Premiership survival (worth its weight in gold as every Rovers fan must know by now), a top half finish, a cup semi final and mid-table stability.
All done without our 07/08 player of the year Bentley, our 07/08 top goal scorer Santa Cruz, our 08/09 player of the year Warnock and our best ever goalkeeper Friedel. The Walker Trust made Allardyce work on quicksand as they cashed in pre-sale.
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Cut the persecution complex Vinjay. Allardyce thinks he's above every club.... even England!
I believe that arrogance and self belief whilst hardly endearing on a personal level is a good quality in a manager.
Exactly right B&W.
Just as an aside I had been requested by John Williams a few days before that Wigan match for a meeting in his office scheduled for 5.00pm the Wed AFTER the game. No idea why tbh except that possibly on BRFCS I had been Ince's biggest and most vociferous critic since his appointment.** I got an email from Lindsey Talbot on Monday informing me that as events had overtaken us (Ince's sacking) that Williams would be too preoccupied finding a replacement for our meeting to go ahead.
Often wonder why JW took that step other than to attempt to persuade me that Paul Ince would be OK in the long term.
** I was bloody bang on too! No idea how Williams got it so wrong and what he ever saw in the useless bugger..... I guess I never will now either.
dingles staying down
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Allerdyce had self belief possibly too much but at the end of the day he was what was needed at the time. He did what he was brought into do.
It was the reason why Warnock should have been brought in last season instead of Coyle. Another who believes him to be better than he actually is but for a specific job, both are as close as you can be to a nailed on guarantee.
It was the reason why Warnock should have been brought in last season instead of Coyle. Another who believes him to be better than he actually is but for a specific job, both are as close as you can be to a nailed on guarantee.