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ABBEY
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Yes we have called him every name under the sun..but he's fighting for his life.
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ABBEY
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show some respect and decorum ffs
I heard on the way back home and some people briefly engaged in a rather tasteless chant. I didn't because I'm not that callous. OK maybe the above comment was a bit cheap (more a dig at George Best actually who practically got a state funeral) and poorly timed. Still if it was Venkys...
Wilpshire Blue
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I'd put Cloughie in that group too
Roy Keane was managed by both and I know which one he thinks was better. Sheringham did too though not sure where his vote goes. Clough had some bullying tendencies admittedly but he also didn't stand for abusing referees, etc except perhaps for the occasions like Anderlecht v Forest when blatantly cheated.
yoda
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Alex Ferguson's record speaks for it's self whether you like him or not, he is the most successful British manager ever. except for Sam Allardyce's 100% record as England manager. Big mates both of them I believe. I also think he had a soft spot for the Rovers and could have been recruited to help us out after the V's cocked up.
Yeah that's why he made disparaging remarks about Jack on numerous occasions. He's said nice things about City. Liverpool and Leeds at some point it hardly means anything should they have recruited him as well? He also defended Kean something that Coyle was repeatedly lambasted for. Strange really given his friendship with Allardyce which is why he attacked Anderson in first place. I remember you said you were quoted in LT when Rovers bid for Cantona so you remember that right? You know why that was? Because they kept harassing the club over Shearer and they treated Rovers as if they were not worthy to make a bid for one of their players. Ferguson was a big part of that. I'm not gonna forget that lack of respect though as I said not that callous either. I reserve that for people like Howard Walker.
I'm sorry if you don't like the response but if you're gonna say he has a soft spot for Rovers it's hard not to vomit over my keyboard never mind keeping silent!
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ABBEY
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we are more open minded and free speaking on here than other places ,however this thread is wishing someone well who is seriously ill and like him or loathe him a sporting icon. Show some respect and stop being a self centred attention seeking numpty.
blueandwhitehalves
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Can't believe I'm about to be less popular than Vinjay in a thread but I don't share your enthusiasm for mourning celebrities at all Abbey. About 2,000 people die in this country each day. Celebrities are no more deserving of attention than any of those 2,000, who clearly people don't care about (no thread for them on here) unless they knew them on a personal level.
Ferguson was a thoroughly nasty piece of work. His abuse of referees was so intense he's lucky none ever topped themselves as a result. He was a bad loser, held grudges, had no sense of sportsmanship. He was a total prat and I didn't like him one bit, so I don't much care. And before the comments on my lack of respect come in, have you paid respect to the 2,000 who've died today? Neither have I. This whole thing "RIP *insert celebrity*" is somewhat farcical IMO.
Ferguson was a thoroughly nasty piece of work. His abuse of referees was so intense he's lucky none ever topped themselves as a result. He was a bad loser, held grudges, had no sense of sportsmanship. He was a total prat and I didn't like him one bit, so I don't much care. And before the comments on my lack of respect come in, have you paid respect to the 2,000 who've died today? Neither have I. This whole thing "RIP *insert celebrity*" is somewhat farcical IMO.
I don't like your post but you'll have to work a lot harder to be less popular than Vinjay, whatever he said.
I don't entirely disagree with you. However their does always need to be an element of respect.
Personally speaking I do REALLY hate all these happy clappy minutes before matches though with a vengeance. Particularly some of the motives behind it all. Re: Cyrille Regis. Why was the nation forcibly involved in recognising his passing rather than just the clubs that he played for? Am I alone in suspecting that all that hullaballoo would never have happened if he had been a white lad?
Unless we are talking about someone who has Captained or Managed England all those minutes whatever's before a match should be reserved for recognising someone connected with the home club. Even if we are playing a team who have just lost a 'name' their should be no minutes anything. That should be reserved for the other team's next home match. Black armbands for both teams and a brief announcement of why they are being worn being enough.
Personally speaking I do REALLY hate all these happy clappy minutes before matches though with a vengeance. Particularly some of the motives behind it all. Re: Cyrille Regis. Why was the nation forcibly involved in recognising his passing rather than just the clubs that he played for? Am I alone in suspecting that all that hullaballoo would never have happened if he had been a white lad?
Unless we are talking about someone who has Captained or Managed England all those minutes whatever's before a match should be reserved for recognising someone connected with the home club. Even if we are playing a team who have just lost a 'name' their should be no minutes anything. That should be reserved for the other team's next home match. Black armbands for both teams and a brief announcement of why they are being worn being enough.
yoda
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I bet you wished he had managed the Rovers for 20+ years
blueandwhitehalves
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Absolutely. Our 00s success was down to 3 managers who were probably all quite unpleasant people. Allardyce was crooked, Hughes was Fergy-level abusive to officials and Souness was slightly psychotic. Our best season during that time, 05/06 where we finished 4 points off the Champions League, we had wind-up merchant Savage as captain and Bellamy, previously up in court for assaulting women, scoring our goals.
If you want to win in football then you can't be puritanical about morals. So I take your point that its hypocritical slating Ferguson. But I still think it should be acknowledged that he was a dick. His friends, family and Man U fans can wish him well but I ain't gonna.
When Dalglish managed this club he wasn't ranked below Ferguson in the list of top managers. More on a par at least certainly by 1994 when Ferguson won his 2nd title with Rovers and Dalglish the closest challenger. Abbey your signature pushes the boundaries of good taste though can see your point because it's Venkys. You pride yourself on not being a hypocrite (which in your case I believe it unlike some Rovers fans) but I'm not wishing Ferguson dead, ill, etc. In a strange way it wouldn't be the same without him but can't help thinking back to 2011 especially and the way he was looking up at the JW. Maybe I'm being paranoid but is it really a stretch to believe he was enjoying getting one over on Jack? 16 years to the day to Rovers title win as well don't tell me he wasn't thinking about it.
He made insulting remarks about Rovers. This is a guy who managed a town club in Aberdeen yet he never regarded them as inferior to Celtic/Rangers and unworthy of challenging them. Scottish football of course was slightly more competitive then (and Aberdeen beat Real Madrid in a final for goodness sake) but they didn't have the finances that Rovers had. The way he spoke of this club after Jack refused to sell Shearer to them (practically harassed Rovers that whole summer) was beyond disrespectful and a complete insult to everything Jack did. Don't rewrite history Yoda with this "soft spot" thing it's rubbish. As I've said he's made positive remarks about City, Liverpool, etc from time to time. He was patronising Wenger recently as well and that's what he does once people are no longer threats to him.
OK Jack outright said he was going to make "Man United look cheap". That's not a mythical quote it's accredited to the journalist Ian Ridley who heard it face to face. Maybe that was a bit of provocation (what with Liverpool having been dominant for so long and perhaps he didn't want to offend Dalglish assuming it was after his appointment) but if Jack didn't like someone he had damn good reason. Unlike Ferguson who's bullied countless people, issued bans, etc.
Anyway I'm having a break from posting for the rest of the month so there's little point responding to something (this specific post anyway if not the thread) I won't see for weeks.
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Fergie is one of those "you're either with us or your against us" chaps. As a required quality for managing a football team I find nothing at all wrong with that. There's an old anecdote about Bill Shankly phoning Lou Macari straight after he discovered that Macari had chosen to sign for Man Utd instead of Liverpool. Shanky said "I think you've made the right decision son because you never were good enough for us. I only wanted you for the reserve team anyway" Click.
As for the above personality traits I'd imagine that both Allardyce and Hughes especially could be really obnoxious individuals whilst Souness imho was the more bent than Allardyce ever knew how to be. He's made signings at many club's and especially at ours which have serious ... really serious question marks hanging over their heads.
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