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Gregg Broughton

goozburger.

Senior Member
Just a rumour at this stage but it sounds like Gregg Broughton has resigned.

You have to say that, if he says he's responsible for all football matters, including transfers, and we've failed for a third time in the exact same area (paperwork) after all his talk of learning lessons and putting measures in place, he has to go.
 

Dunnfc

Senior Member
Gregg cannot be blamed. If he’s resigned kudos to him. You cannot polish turds and that’s who he’s working with and for.

Silvester was responsible for the berg contract fiasco. He has form.
 

Dunnfc

Senior Member
Now it's come out they were having curry and beers when and admin lady told them at 11.04 the papers hadn't been submitted. Silvester is the only person able to use the EFL portal system.

3 Times now!
 

blueandwhitehalves

Senior Member
Isn’t a lot of the reason for this that signing McGuire depended on selling Wharton, and that happened so late that it made it difficult? If so I’m not sure it’s anyone’s fault really.

We had to negotiate hard on Wharton, getting an extra £4m or whatever out of Palace is a lot of money for Rovers these days. And we can’t afford to be signing players for £2-3m anymore if the Wharton transfer fell through.

I appreciate it’s frustrating for JDT. But when you’ve got Szmodics and Gallagher, it’s hardly the weakest area of the team. Shipping goals at the back is the reason for our current run.

The reaction has all been a bit OTT if you ask me.
 

Alan

Administrator
Staff member
Don't try to make excuses for them. This is 3 times on the trot. They made sure that the sale of the best player we they had produced in years and then pocketed the cash without a replacement. There is no excuse and it's the last straw for me.
 

Drog

Administrator
Staff member
Isn’t a lot of the reason for this that signing McGuire depended on selling Wharton, and that happened so late that it made it difficult? If so I’m not sure it’s anyone’s fault really.

We had to negotiate hard on Wharton, getting an extra £4m or whatever out of Palace is a lot of money for Rovers these days. And we can’t afford to be signing players for £2-3m anymore if the Wharton transfer fell through.

I appreciate it’s frustrating for JDT. But when you’ve got Szmodics and Gallagher, it’s hardly the weakest area of the team. Shipping goals at the back is the reason for our current run.

The reaction has all been a bit OTT if you ask me.
B&WH....... One should not attempt to defend the indefensible.
 

blueandwhitehalves

Senior Member
Venkys aren't pocketing any cash when it comes to Rovers. They lose Wharton's transfer fee every single season just maintaining our player wage bill.

Venkys situation with Rovers is like someone donating a large amount of money to a charity every year, and then saying actually can I have that back this year. In that situation, is that person nicking the charity's money?

I'm not sure where the assumption has come from that Venkys are obliged to put large sums of money into Rovers. They're not. If a fan consortium owned the club, they certainly wouldn't or couldn't. If any of us owned Rovers, we certainly wouldn't or couldn't. It wouldn't even be up for debate in those circumstances that Adam Wharton's fee needed to cover the wage bill this season and not be used to buy other players, it would be a financial necessity.

Fair enough, having begun the process to sign McGuire, it looks a bit incompetent not finishing it off. But I definitely think its been influenced by delays in the Wharton transfer as we negotiated a better price, and isn't just Broughton's fault.
 

Drog

Administrator
Staff member
I agree up to your last sentence. If I'd cocked up so much last season I'd have asked someone to check everything was ok this time.
 

steve w

Senior Member
Venkys aren't pocketing any cash when it comes to Rovers. They lose Wharton's transfer fee every single season just maintaining our player wage bill.

Venkys situation with Rovers is like someone donating a large amount of money to a charity every year, and then saying actually can I have that back this year. In that situation, is that person nicking the charity's money?

I'm not sure where the assumption has come from that Venkys are obliged to put large sums of money into Rovers. They're not. If a fan consortium owned the club, they certainly wouldn't or couldn't. If any of us owned Rovers, we certainly wouldn't or couldn't. It wouldn't even be up for debate in those circumstances that Adam Wharton's fee needed to cover the wage bill this season and not be used to buy other players, it would be a financial necessity.

Fair enough, having begun the process to sign McGuire, it looks a bit incompetent not finishing it off. But I definitely think its been influenced by delays in the Wharton transfer as we negotiated a better price, and isn't just Broughton's fault.
I get your common sense approach - and to a degree, I agree with you
But........
It isnt the first time and it isnt fair or right on the players involved - I just wonder if we have had to pay some compensation for our total incompetence
 

steve w

Senior Member
In their positions - why havent they resigned?

Simple!
They were told to pull the plug.....then they have to present some kind of reason/excuse....

SW and GB should be gone (and Sylvester for good measure too)
 

goozburger.

Senior Member
Don't try to make excuses for them. This is 3 times on the trot. They made sure that the sale of the best player we they had produced in years and then pocketed the cash without a replacement. There is no excuse and it's the last straw for me.
It's unfathomable that, even by our chaotic standards, we failed to file paperwork on time on three occasions.

We may never know whose fault it really is, but I again think the situation with the owners is clouding incompetence and flaws of people like Broughton and Tomasson.

Broughton's recruitment has been somewhat of a mixed bag, but if Szmodics is his star signing of the lot, we need to recall that he was reportedly from John Park's list which we resorted to in the summer window. Likewise with Hyam. I would probably say Broughton's real star signing was Tronstad. Unfortunately, that ultimately caused our captain to leave on loan!

Whether or not Broughton is responsible for the deadline day failings, I'm not sure he has improved our recruitment of players. In fact, I'd argue we've gone downhill in that department.

My gut feeling is that Waggott will bin off the DoF and Head Coach structure. I know Waggott isn't the most popular man with supporters, but I think he'll have had enough of being publicly outed by a disconnected Head Coach, and he'll want to go back to the previous structure.
 

Drog

Administrator
Staff member
In their positions - why havent they resigned?

Simple!
They were told to pull the plug.....then they have to present some kind of reason/excuse....

SW and GB should be gone (and Sylvester for good measure too)
Rather too much of an assuption there steve. We don't know the full story so knee jerk stuff won't work. What we do know is that whoever or wherever the fault lies it's landed us in an unfortunate situation for the club and the supporters right now.
My problem with all this as I mentioned earlier in the week is that there is no one anywhere near the top who is an actual supporter of BRFC in the Jack Walker / Steve Gibson / Barry Kilby mould. Whatever reason all of them have for being there the unfortunate fact is that it's not longer term than their working lives. "Just get me over my retirement date and I'll be off".
 

blueandwhitehalves

Senior Member
I get your common sense approach - and to a degree, I agree with you
But........
It isnt the first time and it isnt fair or right on the players involved - I just wonder if we have had to pay some compensation for our total incompetence
Yeah fair enough, probably am being a bit generous on this one having thought about it. I still think its likely that Venkys said don't pull the trigger with McGuire until you get Wharton over the line, and that probably made it difficult, but still the Rovers upper management are well paid to deal with situations like this so they should have got it done.
 

Drog

Administrator
Staff member
Certainly the send / save moment ..... if you believe it! :imp::poop:
 

Old Darwen Blue

Prediction Champion 2021 & 2022
Isn’t a lot of the reason for this that signing McGuire depended on selling Wharton, and that happened so late that it made it difficult? If so I’m not sure it’s anyone’s fault really.

We had to negotiate hard on Wharton, getting an extra £4m or whatever out of Palace is a lot of money for Rovers these days. And we can’t afford to be signing players for £2-3m anymore if the Wharton transfer fell through.

I appreciate it’s frustrating for JDT. But when you’ve got Szmodics and Gallagher, it’s hardly the weakest area of the team. Shipping goals at the back is the reason for our current run.

The reaction has all been a bit OTT if you ask me.
“When the BBC states the following, I certainly believe it to be true:- But the board found that uploading the relevant documents into a draft application area "did not constitute sending documents to the EFL" and added that it was "not prepared to exercise discretion to permit the registration outside the window".
 

Alan

Administrator
Staff member
“When the BBC states the following, I certainly believe it to be true:- But the board found that uploading the relevant documents into a draft application area "did not constitute sending documents to the EFL" and added that it was "not prepared to exercise discretion to permit the registration outside the window".
There isn't a glimmer of an excuse there. They've done it three times and these men are supposed to be professionals taking wages from a Championship football club.. They should all be sacked and a complete new set of managers recruited.
As a matter of fact when the McGuire transfer was announced my first thought was that this transfer will not go through. Now they are trying to keep the myth going by saying they are going to try for a pre contract agreement. I'm sorry but I just do not believe it!
 

1SimonGarner

Senior Member
I've had a sneak peak at an interview SW has given with an update on the current financial situation at the club and the main point he stresses is that they are looking to invest a good portion of the A Wharton fee on a new fax machine with push buttons, a copying facility and even an on board clock. Apparently it's state of the art stuff.:)
 
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