Rovers v Stoke City

[AllRoverAsia]

I disagree ARA. How can you say 100% when the studio pundits couldn't call it despite all their numerous viewings with slo mo technology?
I'd suggest you check the first few seconds of the match video here.... Blackburn 1 - 1 Stoke - Match Report & Highlights (skysports.com) Was the corner legal or should that goal have been disallowed? It was right under the linesman's nose so it that was deemed OK then our goal was good too. Compare the distance between the front of the ball and the corner quadrant and you'll see it's about 9 inches.
Now rather than second guess use that comparison to judge where Elliott's boot is on 1 min 19 secs of the vid. I think you will have to agree that there isn't the width of the ball and certainly not the required 'full' width of the ball' between his boot and the line. I don't see any way that ball could ever have been fully over the line and out of play. Also any claims from Stoke were of the automatic variety and definitely muted.

Anybody think I'd make a damned good VAR Ref? WB? ODB?

Elliott - the weight of evidence imo is that the ball is out.

Corner - I will re-check that one but will take your word on it for now.

Summary - 2 wrongs don't make it right.

Verdict - You can be Ref and I can be VAR as more subjective my being a VAR neutral

Edit: Corner kick ball position photo now attached.

 

[AllRoverAsia]

I must admit that ball placement at corner kicks used to infuriate me but realised that the Ref and AR didn't give a fuck so what should I.

The rules still say that ''The ball is placed inside the corner arc at the nearest corner'' - well that rarely happens and often the part of the ball that is in contact with the ground is outside of the corner arc line.

It seems to have become ok if the ball just overlaps the arc line by a minute amount.

There are lots of stuff that Refs ignore - blatant diving is usually ignored and indeed often wins an unjustly awarded freekick, leading to the likes of Brereton making a tit of themselves because they can't even do a decent dive.

How to take a corner, the first 30 or so seconds are worth a watch

 

[Alan]

My verdict, trying not to be biased is. 1 Not fully over the line and 2 Not at all in the half D.
Although I don't believe that 2 made much difference.

 

[Alan]

Question. Was the lino who flagged Arma offside the same one that allowed that corner to be taken from outside the D or were both linos crap.
On the still of the Arma offside I couldn't see any sign of the lino. Unless he was on the near side he was in no position to make a decision.

 

[Drog]

No if you look again he was on the far side Al. Obviously at full pelt but not far off the mark. Close but I'm pretty sure VAR would have given it. Armstrong was able to look right across the line and keep himself onside although many do manage to run offside even then.

As for balls and lines? It's the same with the ball on all lines isn't it? . Goal line technology frequently illustrates the rules. The usual phrase employed is that the 'whole of the ball must be over the line'. Using that criteria then the ball for the corner was OK as the right edge was still over the line, albeit by about an inch. Also stop the vid and I don't think there is room between Elliott's kicking foot and the goal line for the ball to be wholly over according to the definition.

 

[Alan]

No if you look again he was on the far side Al. Obviously at full pelt but not far off the mark. Close but I'm pretty sure VAR would have given it. Armstrong was able to look right across the line and keep himself onside although many do manage to run offside even then.

As for balls and lines? It's the same with the ball on all lines isn't it? . Goal line technology frequently illustrates the rules. The usual phrase employed is that the 'whole of the ball must be over the line'. Using that criteria then the ball for the corner was OK as the right edge was still over the line, albeit by about an inch. Also stop the vid and I don't think there is room between Elliott's kicking foot and the goal line for the ball to be wholly over according to the definition.

Your eyes must be better than mine on both counts!

 

[Drog]

Slow the video link right down and it's a lot clearer.

 

[Alan]

Slow the video link right down and it's a lot clearer.

On the video I saw the offside "goal" doesn't appear at all. I only saw a still and unfortunately can't remember where I saw it.

 

[Drog]

Here you go Al..... Youtube version.
Go into settings and you can alter the speed of the playback.
(54) Highlights: Rovers 1-1 Stoke City - YouTube

 

[Alan]

Thanks Gord,
From that it is obvious that the lino is way behind play
Cannot see in line whether it's offside or not
That Armo is well onside when the ball is released.
The lino guessed and guessed wrong. Rank bad officiating.
Sometimes Arma is too quick for the officials.

 

[AllRoverAsia]

Using iFollow extended highlights at slow speed:

Armstrong: he is onside. End of story.

Buckley goal: The ball base is out of play before Elliott makes contact. There may be some overhang or there may not. That is from the behind the net camera angle. It would need goal line tech to absolutely confirm.

So fuck ups do balance up even over a single game.

 

[steve w]

And if it was on VAR we are now two days down the line (forgive the pun) without a firm decision

 

[AllRoverAsia]

Arsenal scored a similar one v Toon, it passed VAR and it confirms that overhang means the ball in not over the line even though the balls base may be.

That is sense but quite honestly doesn't read well.

 

[AllRoverAsia]

And if it was on VAR we are now two days down the line (forgive the pun) without a firm decision

I wish it was on VAR. I think in Elliotts case there was no overhang but only VAR could confirm.

We've had more evidence that the Ref and certainly the AR who was a long way away ..... assuming he was keeping up with play .....

 

[Drog]

Thanks Gord,
From that it is obvious that the lino is way behind play
Cannot see in line whether it's offside or not
That Armo is well onside when the ball is released.
The lino guessed and guessed wrong. Rank bad officiating.
Sometimes Arma is too quick for the officials.

Any Linesman would need to be able to give Usain Bolt a run for his money o keep up with a combination of Rothwell and Armstrong! 11 seconds from our pen area to the back of the net! As I've said earlier somewhere we've scored goals like this at least 3 times in the last 3 weeks (v Brum and Stoke).
When other teams push up to the halfway line our ability to break at speed can be devastating. Unfortunately we aren't good enough defensively to soak up pressure in the manner of some teams without conceding, also our favoured brand of midfield possession play gets bogged down and by playing triangles in the opponents half we aren't able to exploit the vulnerability of defences by turning defenders to face their own goal line.
We saw this style of play when we had King and Gary Bowyer played him up top v Premier League teams Swansea and Stoke in the FA Cup when King wiped them out. Unfortunately (and this is only my opinion) I'm convinced that Bowyer was under orders to play Rhodes up top in the League. Appeared stupid to me at the time and even more stupid now 5 years later.