The real Brexit thread

[The Mask]

Yet another 'expert' opinion bites the dust as we now discover that so many scaremongering tactics from people who depend on our trust were just that!

From the Daily Mail...
"Johnson’s intervention may have been selfserving, said the Daily Mail, but what he wrote in his article “needed saying”. After months of “gloom and defeatism”, it was time someone put forward the positive case for Brexit. Critics make too much of the disputed £350m figure. Have they forgotten George Osborne’s forecast – allegedly based on official figures – that a vote to leave the EU would push us into instant recession and make every family £4,300 a year worse off?"

 

[Alan]

Pity the poor Europeans who are stuck with 800,000 plus English-speaking-only riff-raff Britons living in the EU.

....and supporting themselves there plus in addition helping the economies of their host countries by spending their earnings there, unlike the EU riff raff in the UK expecting us to supply all their needs for free.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

The favourite insult among EU fundamentalists is to describe those who see the EU project as a failed construct , as `Little Englanders’ , in the way Benjamin has above. It's lazy and ill informed.

Those who use this term in a pejorative fashion clearly don't understand its origin or meaning. The EU fundamentalists are not renowned for their understanding of history, their sense of culture or their intelligence and I suspect they think that Europe started with the 1951 Treaty of Paris and/or the 1957 Treaty of Rome.

The fact is the term "Little Englander" in a derogatory sense , dates from the Boer War and refers to people who were, at the time, opposed to the English Empire and who were anti-Imperialist. The "Little Englanders" wanted the English to stop taking over the world.

Just as the English wanted to take over the world, the EU bureaucrats want the EU to expand and take over Europe, with Germany at it's centre, pulling the strings. In his speech the other day Juncker, who is to all intents and purposes , Merkel's messenger boy , talked about federalizing the EU with little thought about what the citizens of Europe want .

Merkel has been given a bloody nose ,both in her EU ambition and in her future vision for Germany as it's hub. By ignoring the vast majority of Germans , she is personally responsible for the rise of the AfD . It's because of her arrogance that the far right have a presence in the German parliament for the first time in 60 years . She'll now be scrambling around to form a coalition. She should be ashamed of herself.

In a way ,what's happened in Germany mirrors what's happened here but to the other extreme. Theresa May's dreadful performance in the General Election has rejuvenated the far left and if anyone has caught snippets of the Labour Party Conference , we should be fearful of the damage any future Marxist/far left government could do to the UK . As Germany lurches back to the 1930s , the UK could lurch back to the 1970s

 

[The Mask]

"Labour is toying with the idea of trying to stop Brexit, says Philip Collins. It should desist at once. Undoubtedly, quitting the EU will carry an economic cost for Britain. But the electorate, by a clear majority, voted to leave in a referendum: were the political class to contrive, through clever “procedural manoeuvres”, to thwart that clear instruction, it would exacerbate the very sense of popular alienation that brought this situation about in the first place. True, the verdict of a single referendum isn’t eternal, but it “doesn’t seem right that its authority should have expired already”. There’s no compelling evidence of the public changing its mind – of the sort of “overwhelming buyers’ remorse” that could justify discounting a referendum which only took place last year. To claim a convincing alternative mandate, Labour would have to win a general election on the basis of holding another referendum – and then win that. And by that time we’d already have left the EU. No, the die is cast. “We have voted to leave the EU, so we must leave. It may well be an error, but it is an error we must now make.”"
Philip Collins The Times.

 

[chor808]

Looking worse than expected for Merkel. This is from the BBC:
The AfD's campaign capitalised on a backlash over Mrs Merkel's decision to open Germany's borders to undocumented migrants and refugees in 2015, mainly from the Middle East.

Its success has shocked Germany's political establishment, and protests against the anti-Islam party have been held in several cities following the election result.

"One million people, foreigners, being brought into this country are taking away a piece of this country and we as AfD don't want that," Mr Gauland told a news conference on Monday.

"We say I don't want to lose Germany to an invasion of foreigners from a different culture. Very simple."

It is interesting that the politicians are 'shocked' that after over 1 million undocumented people where allowed to walk into Germany there was reaction by the population against it. Are they really shocked! Europe is marred by terror incidents, mass gropings, people are on edge for right or wrong and they are shocked that anyone should vote against it. Something on the scale of what Merkel did should have been voted on by the public, do you want this yes or no. As OOT says above she is directly responsible for the far right growing in power in Germany, shame on her.

 

[Drog]

'For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction'. Isaac Newton.

Although Germany's history suggests that the equal bit isn't quite accurate.

 

[Dunnfc]

I apparently got reported this morning via a German on my Facebook for proclaiming Britain didn't want to be part of a new nazi collaboration (EU). Apparently so enraged with this she's decided to speak to my employer in Sweden over this.

 

[Steve Moss]

Social justice warriors in action.

You have my sympathy.

 

[Dunnfc]

Social justice warriors in action.

You have my sympathy.

Thou shall not have an alternative opinion to the left. Fortunately I'm not the one who speaks of European single army's and creating a superior multicultural state.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

I've come across this on a number of occasions Dunny and it seems to be occurring more frequently . Employers I've spoken to have had to deal with these sorts of "complaints" about their employees from vindictive trolls who seem to inhabit social media looking for opportunities such as this . In one such complaint the employee lived and worked in Bury, had where he worked on his page and the complainant was from London.

I'm assuming you've got the name of your employer on your Facebook page too . I'm not on Facebook and I'm not familiar with the terminology or how you can stop people reading your content . Perhaps to avoid this in the future , it would be advisable to remove any reference to your employer ? Also check your employer's social media policy to ensure you aren't breaking any of their rules .

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

I apparently got reported this morning via a German on my Facebook for proclaiming Britain didn't want to be part of a new nazi collaboration (EU). Apparently so enraged with this she's decided to speak to my employer in Sweden over this.

Yours is a a dreadful comment. I'm not surprised,

The only Nazis in Germany at present are those belonging to the AfD. I notice the leader has already quit because of extremists in the party.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

....and supporting themselves there plus in addition helping the economies of their host countries by spending their earnings there, unlike the EU riff raff in the UK expecting us to supply all their needs for free.

In 2013-14 immigrants to the UK from the EU were reported to have contributed more than £3bn in income taxes, while claiming roughly £0.5bn in benefits.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...uch-do-benefits-paid-eu-migrants-cost-britain

Immigrants pay more than £20bn in taxes than they receive over the past decade,

https://www.ft.com/content/c49043a8-6447-11e4-b219-00144feabdc0

Why not do some research instead of continually repeating falsehoods?

 

[Dunnfc]

Yours is a a dreadful comment. I'm not surprised,

The only Nazis in Germany at present are those belonging to the AfD. I notice the leader has already quit because of extremists in the party.

It's nazi behaviour of a so called union to rally for super army's, super cultures and the last person or group to do that was the nazis who were also left wing. A comparable basis if you ask me.

Hopefully I get asked asked about it so I can explain in greater detail, obtain the accusers details and commence legal proceedings

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

I'm not on twitter but recently saw this tweet from some empty headed , snowflake remoaner and had to post it :

" Christ, France is going to be painfully expensive end of Sept, isn't it? Shakes impotent fist of rage in direction of Brexiteers "

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

In 2013-14 immigrants to the UK from the EU were reported to have contributed more than £3bn in income taxes, while claiming roughly £0.5bn in benefits.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...uch-do-benefits-paid-eu-migrants-cost-britain

Immigrants pay more than £20bn in taxes than they receive over the past decade,

https://www.ft.com/content/c49043a8-6447-11e4-b219-00144feabdc0

Why not do some research instead of continually repeating falsehoods?

Falsehoods like "all immigrants benefit the economy"? I'm tired of posting the same link to the University College London study that refuted that nonsense.

EU immigrants currently benefit the economy, non-EU immigrants are detrimental to the economy. Since the end of 2014, over a million non-EU immigrants have been illegally entering the EU per year. This million a year will be granted EU status because the alternative is to create terrorist-breeding slums like the Calais camp. And then they'll come here thanks to greater comfort with the English language, a better welfare state and to live with relatives. And then EU immigration will be just as economically unprofitable and non-EU immigration already is.

 

[Drog]

In 2013-14 immigrants to the UK from the EU were reported to have contributed more than £3bn in income taxes, while claiming roughly £0.5bn in benefits.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...uch-do-benefits-paid-eu-migrants-cost-britain

Immigrants pay more than £20bn in taxes than they receive over the past decade,

https://www.ft.com/content/c49043a8-6447-11e4-b219-00144feabdc0

Why not do some research instead of continually repeating falsehoods?

There's quite a myth going around the press and media since the referendum that people are against migrant workers from the eu. I find that it's quite the contrary, most people I speak to are quite happy with the work ethic of the Polish etc but decidedly more concerned about Islamic immigration from 3rd world countries. Do you have the equivalent figures for those?

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

There's quite a myth going around the press and media since the referendum that people are against migrant workers from the eu. I find that it's quite the contrary, most people I speak to are quite happy with the work ethic of the Polish etc but decidedly more concerned about Islamic immigration from 3rd world countries. Do you have the equivalent figures for those?

Here we are. Any comment ?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ult-brexit-hate-crime-tuc-study-a7634231.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-racism-unleashed-poland-racist-a7160786.html

 

[Drog]

I believe that I was asking about the equivalent economic figures of non eu immigrants.

 

[Steve Moss]

There's quite a myth going around the press and media since the referendum that people are against migrant workers from the eu. I find that it's quite the contrary, most people I speak to are quite happy with the work ethic of the Polish etc but decidedly more concerned about Islamic immigration from 3rd world countries. Do you have the equivalent figures for those?

Poles have little trouble joining into the American culture. Shared Western values, I suppose.

Immigration is a wonderful thing if:

1. They work;
2. Obey the law; and,
3. Adopt the culture of the natives.

If not, then it is not.

 

[Drog]