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The real Brexit thread
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Benjamin Kaynine
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..... except you have less of it than a year ago thanks to the referendum-inspired devaluation. But then the Brexitaliban say it's a price worth paying so I guess they're all happy.
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ABBEY
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How do you know Yoda has less ?
yoda
Senior Member
You can't help jumping in with nonsense can you, bought when the rate was €1.48 to the £, sold last week and the rate was €1.12 to the £, at the same € quantity I paid, i.e. 25% more spondulies
Reidy You're A Star
Active Member
You should've done it with Emirates. Absolute luxury! Leg room and service was first class and so were the air hostesses
Benjamin Kaynine
Senior Member
Well, there's another nail in May's Brexit coffin.
Now I know this will be over the heads of most people on here but it's being reported today that the Trump administration has joined a group of countries including our "friends" in the ex-Commonwealth including Canada and New Zealand objecting to a WTO deal between the UK and EU to divide agricultural import quotas.
I remember distinctly David Davis telling us no 6 months ago that securing terms under WTO would be a walk in the park. I also recall that many expressed doubts, siding with comments by the general secretary of the WTO, who in June 2016 warned that trade talks must start from scratch, and would take years.
Most expected Argentina to throw the first spanner in the works over the agriculture deal, but apparently the relationship with the US is "very special" indeed !
This latest blow also gives a lie to the claims of the Brexitaliban that the Anglosphere was begging for trade deals with the UK. The Brexiteers can't blame Brussels for having a death wish on Britain this time. It's the UKs so-called best friends - US, Australia, New Zealand etc that will be looking to exploit a weakened and vulnerable nation by driving hard bargains loaded in their favour.
Now I know this will be over the heads of most people on here but it's being reported today that the Trump administration has joined a group of countries including our "friends" in the ex-Commonwealth including Canada and New Zealand objecting to a WTO deal between the UK and EU to divide agricultural import quotas.
I remember distinctly David Davis telling us no 6 months ago that securing terms under WTO would be a walk in the park. I also recall that many expressed doubts, siding with comments by the general secretary of the WTO, who in June 2016 warned that trade talks must start from scratch, and would take years.
Most expected Argentina to throw the first spanner in the works over the agriculture deal, but apparently the relationship with the US is "very special" indeed !
This latest blow also gives a lie to the claims of the Brexitaliban that the Anglosphere was begging for trade deals with the UK. The Brexiteers can't blame Brussels for having a death wish on Britain this time. It's the UKs so-called best friends - US, Australia, New Zealand etc that will be looking to exploit a weakened and vulnerable nation by driving hard bargains loaded in their favour.
BK you must either be very young or have the memory retention of the average goldfish. This nation has been in the common market / eec / eu for just 40 years! We managed fine for centuries without carrying all those others on our backs. Have you forgotten that "the only constant in life is change"? There will be ups and downs and I think you will be right in some respects, particularly with regard to food production. This is simply because history does repeat itself and short term governments do just love cheap food. However on the other hand food has never been cheaper than it is today so there isn't a long way for prices to fall.
One thing which govts MUST pay heed to is the premise that for a nation to survive and never mind prosper it MUST be able to feed itself! We simply cannot do that at the moment and heaven forbid we worsen that situation by driving our food producers to the wall.
One thing which govts MUST pay heed to is the premise that for a nation to survive and never mind prosper it MUST be able to feed itself! We simply cannot do that at the moment and heaven forbid we worsen that situation by driving our food producers to the wall.
Benjamin Kaynine
Senior Member
You're missing the point. An agricultural deal in itself is irrelevant. The point is, any WTO trade deal is going to be very difficult and years and years away, and it won't be to our advantage.
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yoda
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I suggest you read "who moved my cheese" Benjamin,
you might also want to take a look at this as well
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...hrough-boosts-brussels-negotiations-kf7whwb3x
you might also want to take a look at this as well
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...hrough-boosts-brussels-negotiations-kf7whwb3x
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You think so? Certainly isn't when your belly's as empty as the shelves in the shops and the enemy is at the door. We were nearly starved out in WW2 and our population was less than 60% of what it is now. Whilst a weaker £ helps exporters a strong agriculture is even more important as imported food will cost more.
blueandwhitehalves
Senior Member
The EU's attitude to the police violence against Catalans is disgraceful. It happens so often I don't why I'm surprised anymore but liberal hypocrisy is incredible.
Decades of handing out P.C. lectures to the right on racism, violence, fascism, sexism etc (some of which were needed I might add). And yet we've currently got a sexist liberal media savaging May for having a cough. A racist Labour party turning 2 blind eyes and 2 deaf ears to its membership's festering anti-semitism. The same party's fascist membership scaring a BBC journalist into hiring bodyguards to do her job. And the EU government saying police brutality is fine as long as it furthers its own political agenda.
The left are the rising sinister threat to democracy and western values.
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ABBEY
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So .. no money available..Hammond
1 hour later loadsa money ..may
And they say Tories not at war .
1 hour later loadsa money ..may
And they say Tories not at war .
This isn't the best Conservative government I grant you but do you honestly think there is an alternative to the Tories at the moment?The Labour party is hardly united behind Jezza are they? You yourself have said plenty of times that you won't ever vote for a terrorist sympathiser Abbey and do you even dare to think that the members of that dreadful Shadow Cabinet could ever govern this nation? The tories are bad but the alternative is worse. tbh for any responsibly thinking person there isn't one is there?
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ABBEY
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wont vote for any of them to be honest at the moment. We are aun by a govt of clowns and a shadow govt of clowns.
yoda
Senior Member
Sounds about right
Dunnfc
Senior Member
I've noticed a shift at work from some very labour people to conservatives and democrats for those remoaner types. People are waking up to the fact they don't quite fancy a charalatan terrorist running and bankrupting an economy under a communist regime which would see the middle and upper classes of the country leave again to be replaced by more thick labour left activists or just immigrants.
Grant you it's not the best cons either but at least it's better than anything else at this moment. Nigel Farage should get himself in the running, it'd be his on a plate. Seeing lots of businesses refusing to use EU labour resources too
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