The real Brexit thread

[OnlyOneTugay]

The artist Damien Hirst says he's horrified by Brexit , because "Europe is about freedom , flexibility , being able to travel. I feel sad that my children won't have that kind of access and sad we would limit our options in that way It doesn't make any sense . But it's not really the people of Britain , is it ? To choose something as small minded as that "

So Damien leaving the EU means Britons won't be able to travel ? How do we get to the US, Australia ,India etc ?

I know he's famous for his pickled animals but I think someone's pickled his brain . Having said that it does confirm a suspicion I've held about many Remoaners, that the only reason they voted to remain was because they thought they and their children wouldn't be able to travel to Europe after we'd left the EU

 

[Drog]

3. I remember services that were cheap and affordable and worked for the nation and the public, not the managers and private (usually foreign) shareholders. Explain to me why it is acceptable for the Dutch, German and French governments to be running our transport infrastructure and not the British government ?

Lamenting the poor quality of British management over the decades isn't "hating or playing down your own country" - merely a statement of fact. Look how many industries we have lost over the past 40 years through poor government and poor management, or how many been taken over by foreign firms because our lot gave up and sold out to the short-term sharks in the City for the highest price. Look how many companies have foreign CEOs, or are foreign owned - the car industry being a prime example. It's "stunning" that you cannot see what is in front of your own eyes.

You have answered your own question Benjamin! Well done.

 

[Drog]

The artist Damien Hirst says he's horrified by Brexit , because "Europe is about freedom , flexibility , being able to travel. I feel sad that my children won't have that kind of access and sad we would limit our options in that way It doesn't make any sense . But it's not really the people of Britain , is it ? To choose something as small minded as that "

So Damien leaving the EU means Britons won't be able to travel ? How do we get to the US, Australia ,India etc ?

I know he's famous for his picked animals but I think someone's pickled his brain . Having said that it does confirm a suspicion I've held about many Remoaners, that the only reason they voted to remain was because they thought they and their children wouldn't be able to travel to Europe after we'd left the EU

Surprise surprise! The wealthiest living artist. All Hirst's businesses etc are owned by a company he set up in Jersey.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

You have answered your own question Benjamin! Well done.

Not at all. The old British Rail was well managed - albeit the system was drastically cut back and pruned to save money and chronically starved of investment.

I'll ask again.

Explain to me why it is acceptable for the Dutch, German and French governments to be running our transport infrastructure and not the British government ?

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

The artist Damien Hirst says he's horrified by Brexit , because "Europe is about freedom , flexibility , being able to travel. I feel sad that my children won't have that kind of access and sad we would limit e EU

I think Hirst is trying to say that being in the EU means easy freedom of movement of people (and goods and services), which of course won't be the case after Brexit when hard borders will return. It's also a mindset; being in the Eu is all about co-operation, joining and working together with our European partners, being open-minded and outward-looking, whereas Brexit represents turning ones back on our neighbours, divisiveness, inward-looking and having a closed mind.

Chris

 

[davebirch]

I think Hirst is trying to say that being in the EU means easy freedom of movement of people (and goods and services), which of course won't be the case after Brexit when hard borders will return. It's also a mindset; being in the Eu is all about co-operation, joining and working together with our European partners, being open-minded and outward-looking, whereas Brexit represents turning ones back on our neighbours, divisiveness, inward-looking and having a closed mind.

Chris

I can't quite believe what you have stated there.
Hard borders mean an extra ten minute getting through.
As for mindset, you are stating that those that are not part of the EU are divisive, inward looking and have a closed mind.
And there's me, thinking there's a whole world trading amongst themselves, working together, helping each other, being inventive, and have been doing so long before someone invented another layer of government to lord it over an unsuspecting populace.
I can understand a trading bloc, for that is what the Common Market was all about. The EU is taking it to the next political and unnecessary level

Can't you see it's you and your ilk that's being sucked in, it's you and your ilk paying people that produce nothing.
Ben, tell me this, how much less would countries pay if they didn't have to fund the MEP's and their attendant hangers on?

 

[Drog]

Not at all. The old British Rail was well managed - albeit the system was drastically cut back and pruned to save money and chronically starved of investment.
I'll ask again.
Explain to me why it is acceptable for the Dutch, German and French governments to be running our transport infrastructure and not the British government ?

You may have a point about reduced investment, although there were 3 Labour governments during that time who failed to invest significantly including the Wilson Lab govt which carried out the 'hatchet job' recommendations of the (Conservative commissioned) Beeching report and closed many miles of railway down across the nation in favour of investment in road transport.
I personally rem that the inefficiency of British Rail in the years since privatisation was the subject of many jokes in then press and media. The British public came to regard British Rail with contempt so I'd assume successive governments would have seen increased investment (subsidisation?) of British Rail as rather a poisoned chalice and a vote losing exercise. Do you agree?

However.... and this is really weird Benjimin! Your final sentence appears to have spun around to reveal the jingoistic Little Englander that you profess to so despise? Have you forgotten that you are a Remoaner?

 

[chor808]

Lamenting the poor quality of British management over the decades isn't "hating or playing down your own country" - merely a statement of fact. Look how many industries we have lost over the past 40 years through poor government and poor management, or how many been taken over by foreign firms because our lot gave up and sold out to the short-term sharks in the City for the highest price. Look how many companies have foreign CEOs, or are foreign owned - the car industry being a prime example. It's "stunning" that you cannot see what is in front of your own eyes.

Just for you here is short list of a few British companies, a little bigger than corner shops

Shell
BP
Legal & General
Prudential
HSBC
Aviva
Tesco
Shell
Lloyds
Vodafone
Unilever
SSE
GlaxoSmithKline
Barclays
Centrica
J Sainsbury
Rio Tinto
BT
Compass Group
Old Mutual
Standard Life
IEG
BAE Systems
Astrazeneca
National Grid
Wm Morrison

I'm sure some may have changed hands in and out of the UK but you get the idea.

Lazy I know but here is list of large private UK compaines from wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_private_companies_in_the_United_Kingdom

I agree that we have many oversea's CEO's just like they do in France, the US or any other country. It is a global market place for talent, 40 years ago this would have been much more difficult now global travel is a breeze.

The 5th largest economy in the world, yes we must have poor management. London is the worlds leading financial center for international business. Must be all those bad managers they want to hire.

I can see clearly enough thanks.

Not at all. The old British Rail was well managed - albeit the system was drastically cut back and pruned to save money and chronically starved of investment.

I'll ask again.

Explain to me why it is acceptable for the Dutch, German and French governments to be running our transport infrastructure and not the British government ?

Oh dear, you just lamented the poor quality of British management, who was running Britsh rail then the EU? Again you are answering your own questions.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to see renationaisation.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

I think Hirst is trying to say that being in the EU means easy freedom of movement of people (and goods and services), which of course won't be the case after Brexit when hard borders will return. It's also a mindset; being in the Eu is all about co-operation, joining and working together with our European partners, being open-minded and outward-looking, whereas Brexit represents turning ones back on our neighbours, divisiveness, inward-looking and having a closed mind.

Chris

Chris , I'm amazed you'd take any notice of the wealthiest living (con) artist , whose businesses are owned by a company in Jersey and who lives in a £34 million palatial, neo-classical mansion overlooking the boating lake in Regent’s Park . Having said that he does fit nicely into the stereotypical Remoaner elite .

During my lifetime I've seen Nelson Mandela walking free , the dismantling of the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain collapsing . However nothing quite compares with the excitement of our great country being free from the constraints of an unsustainable , unaccountable , undemocratic political system called the EU . A Union that is so insecure of its own worth that it is determined to punish one of its net contributors for democratically deciding to leave , so that others will be made fearful of following in our footsteps . A political project whose leaders navel gaze , look inward , erect tariffs that hinder free trade from outside their dwindling trade block and whose subsidised agricultural system protects rich French farmers at the expense of poor African farmers as well as adding £16 a week - £832 a year - to the average UK family of four's food bill.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ricas-farmers-of-their-livelihood-478419.html

Unfortunately the Damien Hirsts of this world can't quite come to terms or understand that we will remain engaged with Europe , we can no more leave Europe than we could leave the world. The UK is an amazing, open and enterprising union of countries. The leaving of a declining , increasingly politically federated block and once again becoming an open and globally independent nation will benefit us all .

All we need now is for the elites like Hirst , the BBC and the Remoaners to shake off their misery , gloom and negativity. The new future is ours, if only we had the cajones to believe in ourselves again.

 

[Alan]

I think Hirst is trying to say that being in the EU means easy freedom of movement of people (and goods and services), which of course won't be the case after Brexit when hard borders will return. It's also a mindset; being in the Eu is all about co-operation, joining and working together with our European partners, being open-minded and outward-looking, whereas Brexit represents turning ones back on our neighbours, divisiveness, inward-looking and having a closed mind.

Chris

I would be in favour of working closely with friends and neighbours. Unfortunately the French and Germans are definitely not our friends and never have been. The rest are only there to present their begging bowls.

 

[yoda]

When your past comes back to bite you on the bum

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=564298467275694

 

[chor808]

When your past comes back to bite you on the bum

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=564298467275694

Do you know where the full interview is, sounded just like Nigel F in that clip. Always anti EU our Jezzer.

 

[yoda]

Do you know where the full interview is, sounded just like Nigel F in that clip. Always anti EU our Jezzer.

No sorry. someone sent the clip to me

 

[yoda]

Well it appears that the EU want us to leave 3 months earlier than May does,

Couldn't be anything to with us being able to veto any of their new world order plans up to that date could it ?

over to you John

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

Chris , I'm amazed you'd take any notice of the wealthiest living (con) artist , whose businesses are owned by a company in Jersey and who lives in a £34 million palatial, neo-classical mansion overlooking the boating lake in Regent’s Park . Having said that he does fit nicely into the stereotypical Remoaner elite .
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Hirst has never entered my consciousness to be honest. I don't know that much about him, except that he's a tax avoider/evader and therefore probably a Conservative voter. I was merely trying to interpret what he was trying to say.

Perhaps Michael would like to comment ?

Chris

 

[chor808]

Oh no more good news, what a sorry end to 2017 we are having after voting out, UK voted number one place in the world to do business. Must be that bad management again, dam it.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtba...est-countries-for-business-2018/#4a88a92526de

 

[yoda]

I will comment John, see above post

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

Hirst has never entered my consciousness to be honest. I don't know that much about him, except that he's a tax avoider/evader and therefore probably a Conservative voter. I was merely trying to interpret what he was trying to say.

Perhaps Michael would like to comment ?

Chris

Chris , you tend to find that the creative ( and I'm using the word in it's loosest sense *) luvvie , artistic ( *) types , tend to be the virtue signalling , refugees welcome here , champagne socialists who send their children to grammar schools/private /public schools . I'd argue Mr Hirst probably has more in common with the social justice warrior Mr Bono . As Roger Daltry once said about U2's tax avoidance :

“I find it very interesting that people who spout socialism don’t want to pay for a socialist state,”

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

Remoaners in melt down this morning due to the fact they’re having to say goodbye to their claret passports . I’m more than happy that we’re going back to blue

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42443253

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

Come to think of it, why do we even need passports when we're so much better than the rest of the world?

Why can't we travel overseas simply by showing a copy of the Daily Mail?

This is the sort of nationalist idiocy which makes you consider the intellectual capacities of people who are pleased by such a pointless measure.

Chris