The real Brexit thread

[Drog]

1. Why did Labour need to? The economy was performing strongly up until the worldwide financial crash of 2008. The gap between the poorest and wealthiest has grown into a chasm since then, because of central bank's policy of printing money (QE), which has kept interest rates at ridiclulously low levels, boosting the assets of the rich, and hit the disadvantaged hardest.

2. Quite likely. Do you think the north-south divide is healthy for the UK? If you do, and you want that to continue, I'd suggest keep voting Conservative.

3. Don't really get this - all politicians "scramble" for votes short term. How many election pledges has May gone back on - 10 and counting? As a consumer and user of utilities and transport, I'd love to to hear of some of the benefits of privatisation.

1. Labour inherited a very strong economy in '97. 17 years of Tory rule saw to that. 10 years of Labour and the story was far different. Labour's first move in 97 was to de-regulate the Bank of England and allow it to dictate the interest rates.
Q. Please explain why low interest rates hit the disadvantaged hardest? And have european banks been any different regarding low interest rates?

2. No I don't, this is only a small Nation in relative terms and the wealth should be distributed throughout. Given the socialist nature of London voters do you really believe that Corbyn will change that? Blair's lot didn't lift a finger did they? Given the power of wealth down there do you think he will even be allowed to?

3. "As a consumer and user of utilities and transport, I'd love to to hear of some of the benefits of privatisation." Those of us old enough can all well remember the disadvantages of public ownership that's for sure. The unions simply used that situation to disrupt the nation and create social and political mischief. State owned industries became a political tool in the Unions haste to shatter the political status quo with the intention of making this country join the 20th Century communist revolution and become a communist satellite of the soviet union, as well you know.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

Point 1 is so true . Any Conservative government that follows a Labour administration needs years to repair the damage . Just like in 1979 after the winter of discontent , begging bowl to the IMF and communist led trade unions running nationalised industries and wrecking working people’s day to day lives . Then after Labour’s Great Recession, in 2010 albeit in coalition , cleaning up the “Viv Nicholson “ government’s spend , spend , spend years of Blair & Brown .

Read an article in the Times this week where several financial firms are predicting the UK will be bankrupt in 3 years if Corbyn’s Labour ever get in . I guess when that happens , the country will turn to the Conservatives to clean up the mess . .........again .

Voters wonder why after a Labour government , the country has no alternative but to live within its means ( aka “ austerity “) , but they never seem to learn the lesson . I guess it’s down to fading memories & a new generation of naive young people.

 

[Drog]

Point 1 is so true . Any Conservative government that follows a Labour administration needs years to repair the damage . Just like in 1979 after the winter of discontent , begging bowl to the IMF and communist led trade unions running nationalised industries and wrecking working people’s day to day lives . Then after Labour’s Great Recession, in 2010 albeit in coalition , cleaning up the “Viv Nicholson “ government’s spend , spend , spend years of Blair & Brown .

Read an article in the Times this week where several financial firms are predicting the UK will be bankrupt in 3 years if Corbyn’s Labour ever get in . I guess when that happens , the country will turn to the Conservatives to clean up the mess . .........again .

Voters wonder why after a Labour government , the country has no alternative but to live within its means ( aka “ austerity “) , but they never seem to learn the lesson . I guess it’s down to fading memories & a new generation of naive young people.

Amen to that and Corbyn is playing that card for all his worth. Anyone who can remember the terrorist organisations that he has supported throughout his career and see the blood on his hands could surely never be able to bring themselves around to vote him into the highest office in the land.

 

[yoda]

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

I've said it before but there's 1 sentence of Labour's 128-page 2017 manifesto devoted to tackling our 2 trillion pound national debt. Never mind couldn't care less, they seem to be one step away from forgetting it exists. I'd be surprised if it takes them as long as 3 years to bankrupt the country.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

1. Labour inherited a very strong economy in '97. 17 years of Tory rule saw to that. 10 years of Labour and the story was far different. Labour's first move in 97 was to de-regulate the Bank of England and allow it to dictate the interest rates.
Q. Please explain why low interest rates hit the disadvantaged hardest? And have european banks been any different regarding low interest rates?

2. No I don't, this is only a small Nation in relative terms and the wealth should be distributed throughout. Given the socialist nature of London voters do you really believe that Corbyn will change that? Blair's lot didn't lift a finger did they? Given the power of wealth down there do you think he will even be allowed to?

3. "As a consumer and user of utilities and transport, I'd love to to hear of some of the benefits of privatisation." Those of us old enough can all well remember the disadvantages of public ownership that's for sure. The unions simply used that situation to disrupt the nation and create social and political mischief. State owned industries became a political tool in the Unions haste to shatter the political status quo with the intention of making this country join the 20th Century communist revolution and become a communist satellite of the soviet union, as well you know.

1. Conveniently forgetting 2 deep and damaging recessions, boom and bust Lawson, the ERM debacle, interest rates of 15 per cent and unemployment of 3 million. One of the great myths of our time - Tory economic competence.

2. Corbyn has already promised to distribute power away from London. Thatcher declared war on the working class and the north in particular 40 years ago with a neoliberal ideology that has concentrated wealth and power in the hands of the few. The yawning north-south divide is owned by the Conservative party.

3. I remember services that were cheap and affordable and worked for the nation and the public, not the managers and private (usually foreign) shareholders. Explain to me why it is acceptable for the Dutch, German and French governments to be running our transport infrastructure and not the British government ?

 

[Drog]

1. Jeez! How selective have you allowed your memory to become? One of the really great truths of our time is Labour's economic incompetence! Indoctrinated hate has truly blinded you to the realities and handicapped your intellect.

2. Pretty sure it was the working class who by allowing their communist Union leaders carte blanche control over their vote had declared war on the people of this nation through the 60's and 70's. Thatcher was vigorously defending the population from the advance of communism. Somebody had to man up to them Benjamin as this country was heading to become just another satellite of the USSR.

3. Easy... For years we bemoaned British Rail and held up the likes of the French, Swiss and Japanese railways as examples to follow. Their railways were absolutely streets in front of ours so it's only sensible to work with them to shorten our learning curve. Like the British car industry which bedevilled by Union action for years had become second class to their Japanese and German competitors. British Leyland in particular was a rusting scrapyard of political ambition. Without Thatchers intervention with the Unions there wouldn't even be a British car industry one today.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

1. "Selective memory" and "indoctrinated hate" works both way I'm afraid.

2. Unions were fighting for the people they represented, the workers. How this transposes into "declaring war on the people of this nation" is clearly nonsense. That was Thatcher's job.

3. French, Swiss and Japanese railways were "streets ahead" of ours (and still are) because they are state owned and properly funded.

The car industry got into trouble because of poor designs and rotten management. Poor management continues to cripple British industry to this day. The surviving industry is largely foreign owned and managed - so no surprise there.

 

[Drog]

The car industry got into trouble because of poor designs and rotten management. Poor management continues to cripple British industry to this day. The surviving industry is largely foreign owned and managed - so no surprise there.

Substitute the word 'car' with the word 'rail' and you have answered your own question 3 in post 906.

 

[chor808]

The car industry got into trouble because of poor designs and rotten management. Poor management continues to cripple British industry to this day. The surviving industry is largely foreign owned and managed - so no surprise there.

And there it is, we know this is complete rubbish however there it is in text. Why is it the left hate their own country and always play it down at any chance they get, you would never get a Frenchman or German or anyone to be honest to do that. It is really stunning and hard to believe but there it is. Shameful really.

 

[Drog]

I think it's that old class struggle thing again chor. I can't be arsed climbing up the ladder of life so I'll concentrate my efforts on dragging everyone else higher than myself down it.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

Churchill: ” the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery”

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

https://thedailyhatch.org/2012/05/0...-of-socialism-is-the-equal-sharing-of-misery/

Maggie wiping the floor with them and taking a pop at a federal Europe too .

 

[Drog]

Compare her to the ignorant and incompetent harpies on Labour's front bench today!

 

[Alan]

I think it's that old class struggle thing again chor. I can't be arsed climbing up the ladder of life so I'll concentrate my efforts on dragging everyone else higher than myself down it.

That in a sentence clearly sums up the whole of socialist philosophy.

 

[Drog]

It certainly sums up the Labour Council that has been in control in BwD for generations. I guess if it hasn't changed recently it soon might as Blackburn's Labour council will soon be under majority muslim control. Should be a culture shock to the ever diminishing 'Old' Labour councillors as the muslim community apear to me to be far more materialistic than the Conservative group. I suspect the first job will be to swap the Mayoral car for a Buggati Chiron or similar.

 

[yoda]

It certainly sums up the Labour Council that has been in control in BwD for generations. I guess if it hasn't changed recently it soon might as Blackburn's Labour council will soon be under majority muslim control. Should be a culture shock to the ever diminishing 'Old' Labour councillors as the muslim community apear to me to be far more materialistic than the Conservative group. I suspect the first job will be to swap the Mayoral car for a Buggati Chiron or similar.

I have never understood that about the people from the sub continent, they are conservative in nature but still vote Labour, they even voted for a Labour chap who is a Jew !!!!!

 

[Drog]

I've always been led to believe that muslims care little for western politics and will vote for whoever offers them then best deal. Labour are the power in Blackburn so that's who they see they can get most out of. There was a hiccup back in 2004 when the cosy relationship was split and only solved in a meeting with the 6 rebels, 'Lord Patel' and Jack Straw who tempted them back into the fold. No doubt with numerous concessions and feebies.
https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Blackburn Council&item_type=topic
"The council was shaken in 2004 when six Labour councillors quit the ruling group one month after an election and became independent representatives, and the council temporarily fell into no overall control.[3][4] The councillors, who eventually re-joined the party, left over an internal row reportedly sparked by the demotion of particular councillors in a post-election reshuffle.[3] Allegations of vote-rigging and corruption have dogged the council, with members of the Muslim community reportedly being "strong-armed by mosque leaders and councillors to vote Labour" during elections.[5] The possibility of corruption has been eased by reforms to postal voting which have made electoral fraud "childishly simple" in the UK according to a European watchdog.[6] The number of postal votes registered in Blackburn in 2005 was 20,000, compared to 7,600 in 2001.[5] In April 2005, local councillor Mohammed Hussain was jailed for three years for rigging the 2002 town hall election by stealing at least 230 postal vote ballots in his ward."

 

[yoda]

I've always been led to believe that muslims care little for western politics and will vote for whoever offers them then best deal. Labour are the power in Blackburn so that's who they see they can get most out of. There was a hiccup back in 2004 when the cosy relationship was split and only solved in a meeting with the 6 rebels, 'Lord Patel' and Jack Straw who tempted them back into the fold. No doubt with numerous concessions and feebies.
https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Blackburn Council&item_type=topic
"The council was shaken in 2004 when six Labour councillors quit the ruling group one month after an election and became independent representatives, and the council temporarily fell into no overall control.[3][4] The councillors, who eventually re-joined the party, left over an internal row reportedly sparked by the demotion of particular councillors in a post-election reshuffle.[3] Allegations of vote-rigging and corruption have dogged the council, with members of the Muslim community reportedly being "strong-armed by mosque leaders and councillors to vote Labour" during elections.[5] The possibility of corruption has been eased by reforms to postal voting which have made electoral fraud "childishly simple" in the UK according to a European watchdog.[6] The number of postal votes registered in Blackburn in 2005 was 20,000, compared to 7,600 in 2001.[5] In April 2005, local councillor Mohammed Hussain was jailed for three years for rigging the 2002 town hall election by stealing at least 230 postal vote ballots in his ward."

So much for ethics and beliefs

NOT

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

And there it is, we know this is complete rubbish however there it is in text. Why is it the left hate their own country and always play it down at any chance they get, you would never get a Frenchman or German or anyone to be honest to do that. It is really stunning and hard to believe but there it is. Shameful really.

Lamenting the poor quality of British management over the decades isn't "hating or playing down your own country" - merely a statement of fact. Look how many industries we have lost over the past 40 years through poor government and poor management, or how many been taken over by foreign firms because our lot gave up and sold out to the short-term sharks in the City for the highest price. Look how many companies have foreign CEOs, or are foreign owned - the car industry being a prime example. It's "stunning" that you cannot see what is in front of your own eyes.