Rather describes you I'd have thought. You are the one whose swallowed the dangerous and potentially disastrous Corbyn / MacDonald rhetoric.
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Seems old Jezza was a little hasty in his desire to sling more mud at his opposite number as he's been championing the case of some twice deported child abuser of Portugese origin who appears to have strolled easily back into the UK both times. (I do hope someone in the UK Border Force head will roll over this.... it should!)
"Hard to imagine now that in the late 1980s, there was a cardboard city in Lincoln’s Inn Fields in central London, and every doorway on the Strand was home to someone. There are fewer rough sleepers today but still too many, and last week a homeless man was found dead in Westminster – only yards from the Houses of Parliament. He was described as a former model, who’d been trying to get work as a waiter. The Labour Party was quick to respond. Jeremy Corbyn left flowers in the underpass where the man was found dead, and tweeted that the powerful must stop “walking by on the other side”. And no doubt they should. But they should also be wary of seizing too fast on individual cases to highlight a larger social issue. Staff at The Connection – a nearby homeless shelter – had noted that this man had “complex circumstances”: that should have set alarm bells ringing among those seeking to make political capital out of his death. Soon after, it was reported that he was a convicted child abuser from Portugal, who’d twice been deported from the UK. It doesn’t make his death at the age of 35 somehow acceptable, but it does help to explain why he’d struggled to make a decent life here. Corbyn said last month that if he were elected PM, he’d immediately buy every rough sleeper a home. It made a good headline. But if he wants no one to die on the streets on his watch, it won’t be enough. People end up at rock bottom for myriad reasons: often, the lack of a home is only a symptom of the problem, not the cause.
Caroline Law (The Week)
"Hard to imagine now that in the late 1980s, there was a cardboard city in Lincoln’s Inn Fields in central London, and every doorway on the Strand was home to someone. There are fewer rough sleepers today but still too many, and last week a homeless man was found dead in Westminster – only yards from the Houses of Parliament. He was described as a former model, who’d been trying to get work as a waiter. The Labour Party was quick to respond. Jeremy Corbyn left flowers in the underpass where the man was found dead, and tweeted that the powerful must stop “walking by on the other side”. And no doubt they should. But they should also be wary of seizing too fast on individual cases to highlight a larger social issue. Staff at The Connection – a nearby homeless shelter – had noted that this man had “complex circumstances”: that should have set alarm bells ringing among those seeking to make political capital out of his death. Soon after, it was reported that he was a convicted child abuser from Portugal, who’d twice been deported from the UK. It doesn’t make his death at the age of 35 somehow acceptable, but it does help to explain why he’d struggled to make a decent life here. Corbyn said last month that if he were elected PM, he’d immediately buy every rough sleeper a home. It made a good headline. But if he wants no one to die on the streets on his watch, it won’t be enough. People end up at rock bottom for myriad reasons: often, the lack of a home is only a symptom of the problem, not the cause.
Caroline Law (The Week)
One in the eye for John D...........
"The launch of a “Brains for Brexit” campaign, to dispel the notion that only the ill-educated voted Leave. The new Briefings for Brexit website, calling for a better Brexit deal, was launched by two Cambridge academics, historian Robert Tombs and economist Graham Gudgin, and has among its contributors Sir Noel Malcolm of All Souls College, Oxford, banker Dame Helena Morrissey, and Sir Richard Dearlove, ex-head of MI6.
Effectively if BenJimJohnChris thinks that he is clever then I'm happy to be thick!
"The launch of a “Brains for Brexit” campaign, to dispel the notion that only the ill-educated voted Leave. The new Briefings for Brexit website, calling for a better Brexit deal, was launched by two Cambridge academics, historian Robert Tombs and economist Graham Gudgin, and has among its contributors Sir Noel Malcolm of All Souls College, Oxford, banker Dame Helena Morrissey, and Sir Richard Dearlove, ex-head of MI6.
Effectively if BenJimJohnChris thinks that he is clever then I'm happy to be thick!
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again how many referendums do you want?
Wilpshire Blue
Senior Member
He doesn’t know because it depends how many it would take before Remain won one (if ever)
Benjamin Kaynine
Senior Member
Hang on Gordon M, I'm only 42 !
Still way off retirement, and paying my taxes to fund your lavish lifestyle.
Chris
yoda
Senior Member
You subscribe to the FT John, why have you kept this quiet
https://www.conservativehome.com/th...o-day-government-finances-are-in-surplus.html
https://www.conservativehome.com/th...o-day-government-finances-are-in-surplus.html
yoda
Senior Member
Norway shares a 1000-mile border with Sweden which is a full member of the EU bloc just like the Republic of Ireland which shares a 300 mile border with the U.K. Both Sweden and the Republic of Ireland are both full member of the single market and customs union, however Norway which shares its 1000-mile border with Sweden is not a member of the EU customs union - meaning it sets its own tariffs on customs coming from outside the EU and so must carry out border checks.
Through co-operation to resolve the issue both Norway and Sweden have invested substantial amounts in technology to make these as quick and smooth as possible. They have IT systems which pre-declare goods to customs and they have developed a system which allows lorries carrying pre-declared goods to be waved through. This system is what the UK government is proposing for the UK-Irish border to allow good to flow across the border with minimum disruption but the EU are calling it a fantasy? The EU's solution is to annex Northern Ireland from the UK in an attempt to keep the whole of the U.K. In the customs union by cynical means and attempting to use the Good Friday agreement to justify attempting to split up the UK
Thankfully they have received both fingers waved in there face by the UK government so the EU needs to stop all this brinkmanship and get serious for the sake of all its citizens and realise the need to discuss a free trade deal in parallel with the Irish border issue to eliminate the needs for tariffs or customers checks avoiding the need for a hard border in conjunction with the use of electronic border control systems which are indecently currently in use today.
The EU needs to stop playing politics and start putting its people first!!
OnlyOneTugay
Prediction Champion 2019 & 2020
Good news .........................and just like clockwork, Conservatives re-balance the books after Labour ruined the economy and admitted there was no money left . (took a heck of a lot longer this time because of the latter and Labour's Usual Recession turned out to be Labour's Great Recession ) Labour then make the nation believe the Conservatives are evil for attempting to live within our means . Labour get voted in again . Rinse, repeat.
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OnlyOneTugay
Prediction Champion 2019 & 2020
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-43245227
More dreadful news for the Remoaners but great news for UK plc and northern manufacturing . Hopefully we're on the way to becoming a nation of producers and not consumers . Good that these jobs are being created in the Brexit north rather than the Remoaner south .
Siemens claimed it would "employ up to 700 people in skilled engineering and manufacturing roles, plus an additional 250 people during the construction phase". Just the type of well paid jobs we need .
More dreadful news for the Remoaners but great news for UK plc and northern manufacturing . Hopefully we're on the way to becoming a nation of producers and not consumers . Good that these jobs are being created in the Brexit north rather than the Remoaner south .
Siemens claimed it would "employ up to 700 people in skilled engineering and manufacturing roles, plus an additional 250 people during the construction phase". Just the type of well paid jobs we need .
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Benjamin Kaynine
Senior Member
Loved the question from the German journalist after May's ludicrous 10 cakes with cherries on top speech today.
"Prime Minister, is Brexit worth it"
Long pause...
"The British people voted for it..."
Yes, Maybot, but voted for what? A mad jumble of half facts? If and when there is a majority vote for the final 'deal', only then will the British people have voted for Mrs May's version of Brexit.
Until we get that final vote the fight will go on and on.
"Prime Minister, is Brexit worth it"
Long pause...
"The British people voted for it..."
Yes, Maybot, but voted for what? A mad jumble of half facts? If and when there is a majority vote for the final 'deal', only then will the British people have voted for Mrs May's version of Brexit.
Until we get that final vote the fight will go on and on.
Benjamin Kaynine
Senior Member
Jürgen Maier, UK chief executive of Siemens, told the BBC’s Today programme on Friday that the group was counting on “frictionless trade”. “It is going to very difficult to not have friction without some sort of a customs union.”
Now that'll confuse the Brexit pensioners.
Siemens decision is all about expansion of foreign-owned UK train manufacturing (shamelessly thrown away by the Tories) and nothing to do with Brexit or the EU.
Benjamin Kaynine
Senior Member
Two years late and differing only marginally from the fiscal reduction programme put forward by Gordon Brown, Ed Balls and the current Labour leadership. The last government to run a current account surplus was Labour in 2001-2.
Meanwhile thanks to ideological austerity the roads are potholed, Conservative councils are going bankrupt, the NHS is in crisis, schools are running out of money, the prisons are in crisis, the armed forces are shrinking, social care is collapsing, businesses are implementing plans to move into Europe, investment is declining, infrastructure is starved of funding, housing is in crisis and so on.
Shrinking the state was always the ideological goal and after a Hard Brexit - if it happens at all - it will decline to emaciation. As with any period of Conservative rule, the country will need reuilding again.
Chris
Just as an aside what do you know about train manufacture?
There is an old saying "Money is only spent once". Your lot blew loads and we are ALL still paying for it.
OnlyOneTugay
Prediction Champion 2019 & 2020
As Liam Byrne wrote “ there’s no money “ Then pretended it was a joke .
Socialism is great until you run out of other people’s money to spend
OnlyOneTugay
Prediction Champion 2019 & 2020
Sieman’s decision is about 700 skilled manufacturing jobs in the north . You should be rejoicing that a company from your beloved EU is creating those jobs. Typical remoaner , moaning about skilled jobs being created in the Brexit north. Why not go for the hat trick and moan about Toyota investment in Derbyshire & Bentley expansion in Crewe ? More great news for the Brexit north
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4th time of asking what should the new rules be ? Best of how many ?
Why aren't the eu offering us any sweeteners to stay Benjamin? You see it as a long term loss for the UK but the bean counters will show quite clearly that our leaving will cost them massively too. So can you explain why are they behaving like a wronged wife in a divorce?
