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The real Brexit thread

Benjamin Kaynine

Senior Member
I believe that I was asking about the equivalent economic figures of non eu immigrants.
Hope you were appalled about the rise in racist hate crime since the Brexit vote.

On the other hand maybe you weren't.

This may be what you're looking for, although they're a bit old

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/asian-businesses-contribute-8-to-uk-gdp

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ans-103bn-contribution-to-the-economy-1082139

Although this one says the opposite - albeit you have to take it with a pinch of salt because of its political agenda.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ion-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html

And before you crack open the champagne, the report also says while the Asian deficit was £120 billion native Britons made a negative contribution of £591 billion!

It's who you want to believe I guess.
 

Drog

Administrator
Staff member
Hmmm The London Mayor's office and the institute of asian professionals. :cool:
 
A

ABBEY

Guest
Well I've been down in London for over a week and all's I will say is that if the foreign workers can't speak and understand English to a high level then they shouldn't be employed .
I had a month pythonesqe day yesterday . I went to a butty shop and the palava I had ordering a sausage and bacon butty was actually quite pathetic and then the dozy cow tried to charge me twice.

On the other hand an Indian in the hotel restraunt was freindly and we had a good chat ...yup even he said the venky company are blood thirsty vampires ( his words..they had caused some commotion for his family Mr Pune)
 

Dunnfc

Senior Member
Hope you were appalled about the rise in racist hate crime since the Brexit vote.

On the other hand maybe you weren't.


It's who you want to believe I guess.

Not sure you can really use that argument given the reporting and statistical records have only been kept since April 2012!

“According to the telegraph the previous Home Office figures reported that race and faith-based hate crimes had decreased by 0.4 per cent in 2011/12, before climbing by seven per cent the following year, 16 per cent in 2014 and 17 per cent in 2015 (PRE BREXIT) — making the latest 22 per cent figure an unprecedented annual rise.” http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-brexit-vote-new-figures-reveal-a7829551.html

So a far steadier growth before Brexit and a seven percent rise starting in 2013 before being rising far more in the continued years prior to Brexit. Thus therefore eclipsing the affect that Brexit which seems to be in align with population growth anyways shows that it isn’t really to blame at all and only in correlation of what has preceded before the referendum.

Please denote that these don’t include the incidents of acid attacks committed more recently or Muslim child rape gangs on the whole as these are not apparently deemed race hate despite targeting the white only population. On a side issue Benjamin, you have to be one of my favourites on here. How could someone be so blindingly socialist but so politically unaware/naïve, your inane headline ramblings provide little substance.

With the most recent example now being links to the London Mayor’s cabinet and “Asian” professionals as well as the Guardian. Both articles seemingly based on the economical distortion of the truth, I draw your attention to the wording “Fiscal” in regards to immigration and net impact, denote the telegraph doesn’t actually refer to it unlike your other sources. Fiscal measurement is a known part of Generational Accounting and is relatively non-standard and by that I mean every country adds and omits certain costs from the “fiscal” calculations just like a series of company accounts. For example In the UK we do not account for immigrants claiming housing benefit whereas Australia do. The net fiscal impact of immigration is typically estimated as the difference between the taxes migrants make to public finances and the costs of the public benefits and services they receive.

In fiscal measurement there are usually three types of categories with many of the immigrants coming into the “Working Age” category because of this they have a net negative affect per capita on public expenditure. Now you maybe interested to know but the office of the OECD recently recorded the UK amongst Spain and Portugal having a negative view on immigration and the effects upon fiscal economy when compared to the average of Europe. Because of this “Working Age” it really in the short term should provide a benefit to the country however it doesn’t appear that way given GDP suffers by a 1% and from that we can look at the budgetary department for government and what they had to say to the OECD

For many years as immigration levels excelled, the Labour government claimed that immigration added £6 billion a year to GDP. However, the House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee reporting in April 2008, said that what mattered was GDP per head. They concluded that: “We have found no evidence for the argument, made by the government, business and many others, that net immigration generates significant economic benefits for the existing UK population.”

AND THEN………..

In their annual Fiscal Sustainability Report, the Office for Budgetary Responsibility concluded in August 2013: “In our attempt to summarise the vast literature on the impact of immigration on the labour market and productivity we have not found any definitive evidence on the impact of immigrants on productivity and GDP”.

As I stated a few pages back in regards to immigration figures it was 13,000 was it in 1991? Compared to 360k immigrants (2016) you’d expect us to have further growth in GDP (Forgiving the global crisis & Labour tenure etc) so if they come in at working age they are only calculated against their expectancy on the economy as opposed to true cost as no data is really available to measure them after “Working Age” yet. Fiscal Measurement upon immigration includes fertility rates (We know they breed more), national debt levels vs. expectancy of debt repayment per capita, i.e the more immigrants (Head Count) the less debt over time.

So because of all this Benajmin we are being proactive in wanting a complete seizure and stop on immigration with the replacing only of the skills (Emigration) we’ve lost under a labour government (Conservatives have stemmed it refer to my earlier Brexit posts). The long term affects over the disastrous EU and Labour policies will soon come to light and it will be the next generations again left to pick up the tab.
 

Benjamin Kaynine

Senior Member
Britain has fallen from the top to the bottom of the league of G7 leading economies in the year since the Brexit vote, with official data on Friday showing slower growth than previously thought. (FT report).

Welcome to the Brexit sunny uplands !
 

Drog

Administrator
Staff member
tbh I'm beginning to doubt the validity of the FT. However no doubt another report will contradict that before the weeks out.

Just as an aside Benjamin If indeed the report carries some truth I'm getting a strong feeling that you couldn't be more pleased.
 

Reidy You're A Star

Active Member
I wouldn't pay any attention to polls or league tables until the Brexit negotiations are finished. Until we, the EU and everyone else know what deals are in place and where we all stand, the uncertainty of both sides posturing to get the best deal for themselves will cause the big rises and falls we've seen in these polls and reports.
 

Benjamin Kaynine

Senior Member
Well then, Brexit claims another casualty with the collapse of Monarch Airlines owing to the post-referendum slump in the pound.

A majority of Leave voters surveyed said they were happy to lose their job or for one of their family to lose theirs as a price well worth paying for "taking back control".

Therefore there will be lots of happy little Brexiloons this morning; shame there wasn't some way to make any Leave voters stranded overseas to pay for their own passage home...
 

Drog

Administrator
Staff member
Lies = Any News from Benjamin. Whats it like living in your world pal?

The truth ................Brexit may have had something to do with it but NOT according to their Chief Executive Andrew Swaffield .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...h-chief-blames-terror-attacks-plunge-airline/
:cool:


Note to all Members. We are attempting to run an honest and reliable site here so please take note for future reference and apply much caution when reading any of Benjamin Kaynine's contributions. You have been warned!:cool:
 

OnlyOneTugay

Prediction Champion 2019 & 2020
Monarch has had problems for some years and wasn't far from going bust in 2014 . It's struggled to position itself in a highly competitive marketplace. This was an interesting take on Monarch from the Guardian back in 2014 :

" In an industry where even the biggest players have been hit hard by the ascent of the low-cost carriers, Monarch had somehow hung around, serving full meals on ageing planes with claims of superior service like a throwback to the 1970s – a Black Forest gateau of aviation. The previous chief executive, Iain Rawlinson, had questioned the industry’s “race to the bottom” in a wistful speech last autumn, in his final months before stepping down "

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/sep/25/monarch-airline-prince-pauper

As Monarch's current Chief Executive said, recent terror attacks seem to have had a disproportionate affect on Monarch. Also demand for flights on Monarch's major holiday routes to Egypt and Turkey continued to fall because of passenger fears raised by the Syrian civil war , the Egyptian crisis and the 2016 Turkish coup d'etat attempt.

Although some bitter Remainers seem to revel in this sort of news , blaming it solely on Brexit is clutching at straws
 
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Drog

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Although some bitter Remainers seem to revel in this sort of news , blaming it solely on Brexit is clutching at straws
A favourite occupation for the Remoaners these days.
 

Dunnfc

Senior Member
Well then, Brexit claims another casualty with the collapse of Monarch Airlines owing to the post-referendum slump in the pound.

A majority of Leave voters surveyed said they were happy to lose their job or for one of their family to lose theirs as a price well worth paying for "taking back control".

Therefore there will be lots of happy little Brexiloons this morning; shame there wasn't some way to make any Leave voters stranded overseas to pay for their own passage home...
Having known friends who worked for monarch there problems started 2/3 years ago being bought out by turnaround company Greybull Capital. Brexit hasn't killed them it's simply down to a pish business model. Only last week they wanted to go to long haul only again after scrapping that 18 months ago, flawed business plan and terror attacks in Egypt wiped a mega profitable hub in sharm el sheikh out. Suggest you read up you complete fud.

The fact 164 million cash injection was needed in the same section last year and the mexzague brothers selling it for 59 million capital advancement years ago suggests your talking absolute rubbish Benjamin
 

Drog

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Staff member
Really? I've just had my flight cancelled by that little Irish git!
 

Dunnfc

Senior Member
Awful company ..least legroom I've ever had on planes
Wouldn't go that far they used to be very good one of the best in giving customers the usual sod old meals paper etc, just battered by low fare types such as Wizz, EasyJet and Ryanair, which were successful as they used the old planes leasing strategy what monarch didn't.

Norwegian and Vuelair apparently ropey
 

chor808

Senior Member
I flew them years ago long haul to the Maldives, I swore never to use them again they were that bad. Leg room was terrible. I was dreading the flight home.

BK give it a rest this company has been on its backside for years, you are making yourself look daft.
 

Alan

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Staff member
I've flown with Monarch several times and always found them fine. I particularly like the fact that you can have in flight meals which I always enjoy and they help to pass the time. The only ones who still seem to do it are Jet 2 but you have to pay extra for them. I usually fly with Tui simply because they seem to have the best time slots but the hot snacks are rubbish. They are always stuck to the wrapper and I hate having to scrape them off to eat them. Now we take our own sandwiches or have a sausage and bacon butty in the Escape lounge. Well worth the extra cost.
 

Benjamin Kaynine

Senior Member
Note to all Members. We are attempting to run an honest and reliable site here so please take note for future reference and apply much caution when reading any of Benjamin Kaynine's contributions. You have been warned!:cool:[/QUOTE]

Rather uncalled for. Isn't an opposing view healthy ?
 
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