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ABBEY
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REET LADS BOOTHE FUCKER UP THE PITCH AND GET A KNOCK DOWN...PLAN A
REET LADS BOOTHE FUCKER UP THE PITCH AND GET A KNOCK DOWN...PLAN B
REET LADS BOOTHE FUCKER UP THE PITCH AND GET A KNOCK DOWN...PLAN C
** WIN BONUS GOES TO FIRST ONE TO HIT A FLYING PIGEON
You can't re-write history because it was hardly how it worked at Bolton with the likes of Campo, Djorkaef, Okocha, Gudjonnson, Anelka and EHD was it? Once he was here he inherited a far worse squad who weren't able to match opponents on the ground.
We'll never agree Abbey ...until you can admit that you are wrong.
We'll never agree Abbey ...until you can admit that you are wrong.
Fellas............ Everton 4-West Ham 0. Seems the 'Allardyce effect' strikes again.
Takes me back to the change in the teams attitude and application when we beat Stoke 3-0 the match after John Williams finally admitted defeat* and sacked the terminal numpty Paul Ince.
* Some opinion holds that Williams was instructed to get rid of Ince by one / all of the Directors.
Takes me back to the change in the teams attitude and application when we beat Stoke 3-0 the match after John Williams finally admitted defeat* and sacked the terminal numpty Paul Ince.
* Some opinion holds that Williams was instructed to get rid of Ince by one / all of the Directors.
OnlyOneTugay
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That was so predictable . The West Ham board inexplicably appoint a manager with a fading pedigree , the Everton board appoint a proven winner - a manager who proves time & time again . that he has what it takes . Imagine what Big Sam could have won with a top team Four goals at home - sounds great entertainment .
West Ham should have gone for the scorcerers apprentice , Big Sean . See they won again tonight .
West Ham should have gone for the scorcerers apprentice , Big Sean . See they won again tonight .
Mark Hughes what? KB
No idea which post you are replying to but I've said before that I believe Mark Hughes was actually the best Manager for BRFC that we have had since Jack first came in with his cheque book. Certainly Kenny won the Prem but he had almost infinite resources back then when signing players. The 'Big Boys' simply weren't ready for that financial clout to upset their cosy cartel. Allardyce was good at working with a threadbare club with little resources, he did it by buying'greats' in their twilight years and bonding them with fit, muscular runners. Hughes on the other hand unearthed bargains in their Prime and developed them. Make no mistake whatsoever and put them in an y order but those three are the best Managers that we have had by a counytry mile.
btw..... Exactly why Hughes is struggling so much at Stoke I don't really know. I suppose to win a war one will still lose a few battles. It's a special Manager who can stay at a club year in year out and still be able to pull rabbits out of a hat. Note that Pulis (the safest pair of hands after Allardyce) has just been dismissed by the Boing boing baggies. This appeares to be the penalty for exceeding expectations for a few years at a club.
Quite correct. I was worried about the effect of promoting a player to Manager. Got to say he adapted wonderfully well and totally proved me wrong.
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Is it April fools ? Gordon admit a mistake ..pmsl
blueandwhitehalves
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I spent about 4 years arguing with people on brfcs about the merits of Allardyce, throughout his reign and Kean's. Then another 5 since trying to prod for an apology/retraction from his numerous and vocal critics.
All I'd say now is choose your least desired:
Hoofball
Vs
The loss of
- £60m TV money on average per season, £300m total so far
- 15,000 on our home attendances
- Maybe 40,000 on our active fanbase (just look at the decimation of brfcs activity compared to the old days)
- Closing of The Aqueduct, Kings Arms (or Inn), The Moorings, I'm a bit fuzzy on pubs but possibly the Manxman, is the Navigation still open? There'll be certainly more closures in the coming years.
- The nightlife has vanished compared to 2010. White flight looks to have increased. Any pride/identity in Blackburn is either going or gone.
You'd have to be a maniac to think Rovers playing more attractive football is more important than all the latter. Us Allardyce supporters saw the style flaws just as well, but we also saw what keeping him meant to PL survival, and what PL survival meant to the entire area.
All I'd say now is choose your least desired:
Hoofball
Vs
The loss of
- £60m TV money on average per season, £300m total so far
- 15,000 on our home attendances
- Maybe 40,000 on our active fanbase (just look at the decimation of brfcs activity compared to the old days)
- Closing of The Aqueduct, Kings Arms (or Inn), The Moorings, I'm a bit fuzzy on pubs but possibly the Manxman, is the Navigation still open? There'll be certainly more closures in the coming years.
- The nightlife has vanished compared to 2010. White flight looks to have increased. Any pride/identity in Blackburn is either going or gone.
You'd have to be a maniac to think Rovers playing more attractive football is more important than all the latter. Us Allardyce supporters saw the style flaws just as well, but we also saw what keeping him meant to PL survival, and what PL survival meant to the entire area.
blueandwhitehalves
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Matter of opinion I guess but I don't think we were in the position to demand a middle ground. I think since the PL title win our fans have struggled to judge our club size accurately.
As the crow flies, we have the 4th smallest fan catchment area in all 4 divisions. Which affects merchandise and sponsorship revenue, attendances, and what we can charge for tickets. Throughout the 00s we had to spend a dicey 85% of our total revenue on player salaries. And needed a few million from the Walker Trust each season, plus a negative net transfer spend, just to manage that.
We were walking a tightrope, as evidenced by the swift relegation after promotion of every other club of genuinely comparable size.
Once the Walker Trust reversed the cash flow after Hughes and actually started taking money out, it added a blindfold and a tricycle to the tightrope. So to me very, very few managers had the ability to keep a post-2008 Rovers up. Less than could keep Burnley up now considering that doubling TV revenue has reduced the impact of the other revenue sources we used to get dominated on.
As the crow flies, we have the 4th smallest fan catchment area in all 4 divisions. Which affects merchandise and sponsorship revenue, attendances, and what we can charge for tickets. Throughout the 00s we had to spend a dicey 85% of our total revenue on player salaries. And needed a few million from the Walker Trust each season, plus a negative net transfer spend, just to manage that.
We were walking a tightrope, as evidenced by the swift relegation after promotion of every other club of genuinely comparable size.
Once the Walker Trust reversed the cash flow after Hughes and actually started taking money out, it added a blindfold and a tricycle to the tightrope. So to me very, very few managers had the ability to keep a post-2008 Rovers up. Less than could keep Burnley up now considering that doubling TV revenue has reduced the impact of the other revenue sources we used to get dominated on.
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And some tip there beer out if the glass looking for the Sam ball skills
blueandwhitehalves
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Wouldn't care to speculate Gord. Owen Coyle and Ian Holloway were the favoured choices of the anti-Allardyce faction during his reign, and Michael Laudrup (currently managing Al-Rayyan) was their favourite just after. Says it all really.
According to Kamy the biggest error Williams felt he made was not appointing Laudrup instead of Ince. Actually Barcelona have since stated that they were interested in him at the time. Not sure what happened there but Rovers certainly spoke to him. We should just ignore that though and remember to consult our crystal balls next time so we can check if he would end up managing in the Middle East. Ironically enough exactly where Allardyce wanted to go when he tried to leave the club in summer 2010. Yeah that's right tried to leave but hardly suits the narrative that he would still be here does it?
I guess those who wanted Laudup felt the club could better itself with him in charge and that he was more befitting for a club with Rovers prestige and stature. He was seen as an up and coming manager whereas Allardyce failed in his previous role and hasn't won anything before or since. You seem to hate anyone with aspirations though or those who "think big" as that guy always said...what was his name Jack? Oh yeah that's right. Someone who was a better man than Allardyce in every possible way but for some reason never seems to get the hero worship that Allardyce seems to get from you. How strange. As for the evil scumbag Walker family influenced trust they actually did stop funding but anyway don't let facts get in the way. Shame you won't comment on that and Jack's wishes being betrayed while you're busy worshipping at the Church of Sam. Give us this day our daily long ball, and forgive us any ambition, and lead us not into being excited instead of bored stiffless, but deliver us from anyone but Sam because he is the only power and the only glory. Because he's won it all. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. AMEN.
I can't remember people pushing that much for Coyle and Holloway. Infact when Allardyce came in Dec 2008 people were more accepting of him than in the summer. They were happy for him to stabalise things but once he did perhaps a manager who's won something wouldn't be too far from their minds. Certainly that's how I thought. I wanted Mancini who apparently applied and if you think Allardyce was a better option you're off your bloody heads.
Now enough or I really will lose my temper with your never ending, constant belittlement of this great club. You could drive a quadriplegic who's been in a coma for 50 years to get up and jump out the window droning on about that fat egomaniac. Never has there been a man so small who thinks he's something special. Inferiority complex maybe?
I guess those who wanted Laudup felt the club could better itself with him in charge and that he was more befitting for a club with Rovers prestige and stature. He was seen as an up and coming manager whereas Allardyce failed in his previous role and hasn't won anything before or since. You seem to hate anyone with aspirations though or those who "think big" as that guy always said...what was his name Jack? Oh yeah that's right. Someone who was a better man than Allardyce in every possible way but for some reason never seems to get the hero worship that Allardyce seems to get from you. How strange. As for the evil scumbag Walker family influenced trust they actually did stop funding but anyway don't let facts get in the way. Shame you won't comment on that and Jack's wishes being betrayed while you're busy worshipping at the Church of Sam. Give us this day our daily long ball, and forgive us any ambition, and lead us not into being excited instead of bored stiffless, but deliver us from anyone but Sam because he is the only power and the only glory. Because he's won it all. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. AMEN.
I can't remember people pushing that much for Coyle and Holloway. Infact when Allardyce came in Dec 2008 people were more accepting of him than in the summer. They were happy for him to stabalise things but once he did perhaps a manager who's won something wouldn't be too far from their minds. Certainly that's how I thought. I wanted Mancini who apparently applied and if you think Allardyce was a better option you're off your bloody heads.
Now enough or I really will lose my temper with your never ending, constant belittlement of this great club. You could drive a quadriplegic who's been in a coma for 50 years to get up and jump out the window droning on about that fat egomaniac. Never has there been a man so small who thinks he's something special. Inferiority complex maybe?
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