Big Sam

[Vinjay]

You know what I'm not responding to this thread again and maybe its better to go on posting hiatus for a while. There is no argument as far as I'm concerned and I'm sick of defending myself and others when we didn't ask for Kean in first place. We didn't ask for him to stay in summer 2011 when the situation could have been cleared up.

Maybe I need to work on my anger management but you know what? Some people get sick and tired of being belittled and when it extends to unjustified belittlement of other things they give a toss about there is a snapping point. I have my own obsessions but in all due respect they are a hell of a lot more important than Allardyce.

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

Nah come on Vinjay. That's the great thing about this place, everyone says what they think but nobody takes (too much) offence. We might be polar opposites on Big Sam but we seem to agree on plenty of other stuff.

 

[Drog]

Not sure who you are addressing Vinjay but I'm guessing that it's me. I've no idea where to start either with all that nonsense. Just about everything you have written is rubbish and influenced by nothing but anger and hatred rather than clear thought.
Most glaring error is your statement that the Walker Trust stopped funding and that Allardyce was the wrong man for the job of keeping BRFC in the Premier League! Funny how most club Chairman who find themselves in similar situations pick up the phone and give him a call isn't it? Not only that but the fortunes of every club that he has ever managed have taken a turn for the worse virtually as soon as he has walked out of the door.
Obviously the study of history was not your strong point at school was it Vinjay?

Oh and never mind what Kamy says John Williams says. John Williams can only be simply speculating on what might have happened if he had managed to persuade Laudrup to come here instead of Barca . His biggest error, and with no speculation necessary whatsoever, is taking notice of some juvenile Facebook campaign and appointing Paul Ince in the first place! I can only assume that for some reason he had taken temporary leave of his senses. Don't you remember the farce of his first Press Conference and JW's expression as he interrupted in an attempted to save face and salvage some respect? The plain fact remains that of all the names being bandied about by the supporters that Allardyce is the only one who has not either fallen from grace or spun into oblivion since.... in the footballing sense that is.

btw I'll accept Mancini has maintained a good managerial record but we've no proof that he would have come to the Rovers, nor how he would manage on our much reduced budget either. What history tells us is that his only Premier League appointment ended with the sack, albeit by the money men at cash swamped Man City.

 

[Drog]

You know what I'm not responding to this thread again and maybe its better to go on posting hiatus for a while. There is no argument as far as I'm concerned and I'm sick of defending myself and others when we didn't ask for Kean in first place. We didn't ask for him to stay in summer 2011 when the situation could have been cleared up.

So you can have your say and no one has to respond unless they are in agreement with you? That's not how these forums work really is it? As long as arguments are valid and basic rules of messaging behaviour and language are adhered to then I see no problems.

Moving on.....
As I have already said 'look before you leap' was the best council. No one's fault except the venkys for putting their trust in a cockney wide boy on the make but the anti - Allardyce resentment amongst the supporters must have been influential and provided the stick that Anderson used to beat him with but it was both irrational and ultimately the most damaging event by a mile since the Venkymob first trapped up.

 

[ABBEY]

Haha bigger shovel needed Gordon .
Mancini sacked is a flimsy excuse ,has the Messiah not been sacked many times.
Let's see Mancini as a player won umpteen seria a titles and a few coppa Italia's not to mention a European cup win. As a manager 3 coppa cups, 3 Italian league titles, premier league win , fa cup win and a Turkish cup. He's early 50's.
Let's stack this against Zzzzzam's impressive medal haul ...erm Zero .
I know who id rather have and he don't look like a pregnant walrus.

 

[ABBEY]

As I have already said 'look before you leap' was the best council. No one's fault except the venkys for putting their trust in a cockney wide boy on the make but the anti - Allardyce resentment amongst the supporters must have been influential and provided the stick that Anderson used to beat him with but it was both irrational and ultimately the most damaging event by a mile since the Venkymob first trapped up.

He wanted out and wanted the middle East gig .

 

[Drog]

He wanted out and wanted the middle East gig .

Common knowledge and largely irrelevant Abbey.
But along those lines Hughes wanted the NUFC and Chelsea gigs and didn't get either, Souness wanted the NUFC gig and got it (thank God) whilst Kenny wanted a salary for playing golf and he got that too. Oh and SVG didn't want our gig at all (again thank the Lord). Might come as a surprise to some but managing l'il ol Blackburn isn't the attraction for many top managers that many think it is.

 

[Drog]

Haha bigger shovel needed Gordon .
Mancini sacked is a flimsy excuse ,has the Messiah not been sacked many times.
Let's see Mancini as a player won umpteen seria a titles and a few coppa Italia's not to mention a European cup win. As a manager 3 coppa cups, 3 Italian league titles, premier league win , fa cup win and a Turkish cup. He's early 50's.
Let's stack this against Zzzzzam's impressive medal haul ...erm Zero .
I know who id rather have and he don't look like a pregnant walrus.

Playing records mean nowt. For proof see Messrs Mourhino, Wenger, Ferguson.
Anyway Roberto's record speaks for itself but if he's all that good how come Everton, WHU, Palace and Sunderland didn't ring him up when they were in the sh1t?

 

[Vinjay]

Common knowledge and largely irrelevant Abbey.
But along those lines Hughes wanted the NUFC and Chelsea gigs and didn't get either, Souness wanted the NUFC gig and got it (thank God) whilst Kenny wanted a salary for playing golf and he got that too. Oh and SVG didn't want our gig at all (again thank the Lord). Might come as a surprise to some but managing l'il ol Blackburn isn't the attraction for many top managers that many think it is.

You don't give a toss about people's feelings do you? I'm already depressed and borderline dead inside as it is look up anhedonia. ENOUGH.

 

[Drog]

Don't be daft! Tell the truth and shame the Devil is my motto. Would you rather I lie? OK I will, just this once Vinjay, I'll substitute 'l'il ol Blackburn isn't the attraction for many top managers' with 'mega club Blackburn Rovers with their unlimited spending power and their squad of Galactico's is a much sought after post for all the worlds top managers?
Now I'll just wait for the chaps in white coats to come around.

 

[Vinjay]

Its not the truth. You don't have to lie (from your point of view) and call it a massive club but you don't have to keep belittling it either. Its not just the remarks its the way you say it in the most deliberately demeaning way possible. I don't want to hear it because at this rate it will be me needing the men in white coats soon.

 

[Drog]

I still don't see Laudrup as a better fit for a cash strapped club in our position than Allardyce. It also seems that my view is shared by many Chairmen as well as pundits and observers. Sure the football wasn't great but remember he'd inherited a poorer squad than we had had for some years since the players that Souness left us with. Point being that Allardyce has never been out of big demand by Premier League clubs as just about every manager named around and about his appointment have disappeared way below the radar.

Opinions on here appear to be that because his brand of football is pragmatic and designed as a safety first exercise when necessary that somehow he is a bad manager. Totally wrong and quite obviously this is not the case as he's had any number of jobs including the top job of all namely Manager of England since leaving Ewood. We must take into consideration that the instructions from the Rovers board (his bosses remember) was to simply retain our Premier League status at ALL costs whilst the club could find a buyer.
I must say if I were a supporter of any club near the bottom of the Prem (currently the bottom half is incredibly tight) then I'd want Big Sam at the helm... and especially so if I was on the board or a shareholder and it was my money and the club's future wellbeing that was at stake.

 

[Vinjay]

I certainly haven't said he's a bad manager but it is a grotesque insult to suggest only he was capable of managing this club. For goodness sake as I've said countless times even Kean managed to keep that squad up though it was probably down to the players mostly. I've also said time and time again that I was ok with him being here while a takeover was still on the agenda. In the summer I wasn't one of those who signed petitions and campaigned against his appointment though I preferred someone else. In the Winter even less so though Mancini would also have been my choice had he applied in the summer over Ten Cate so I was angered by that. Laudrup wasn't a disaster at Swansea and he won a trophy too something Allardyce hasn't as myself and Abbey keep pointing out.

The England job shouldn't have been his and it was short sighted when there's far better overseas managers to choose from. You say he's good at survival but how can you explain him being suited to international football? Please justify that when in the international game possession is everything. Graham Taylor didn't work out and he was a successful manager up until that point. I think he would have failed with England in footballing terms though better managers than him haven't been able to succeed. Of course with international football winning a tournament isn't always down to being the best manager. I guess that's probably unfair in a way because you can't really do much more than that at international level. Not to mention my remarks about Swansea with the best team not always winning cup competitions but Allardyce has reached one final. Which he lost. OK he won promotion a few times (in 2001 Rovers overtook Bolton of course but to be fair Rovers were just a better side) but in those cases the trophy isn't really the award.

Seriously I'm finished on this subject now. Allardyce was not as relevant as some people think for this football club either short term or long term. The relegation was down to not replacing Kean. END. The Walker family influenced trust on the other hand were utter poison in the short and long term and that's why I'm probably never gonna stop taking digs at them. Venkys are the same and that's why I have far more time for the likes of Abbey with his regular attacks on them.

 

[Vinjay]

Have to say that the one time I felt sorry for Allardyce (he's not a particularly sympathetic individual generally though I've never said he's a bad manager) was when he sold Derbyshire for an excessive fee. It was absolutely ludicrous that he felt compelled to explain that (some humility deep down maybe) and I wish he had been arrogant about it. I don't know if Olympiacos made that their opening bid or not (in which case Williams would take some credit if it was the latter) but either way what the hell were they thinking? No wonder Greece has had financial problems if that's typical behaviour there. I'm obviously not saying it was a genius move to sell him for what was offered as anyone with the slightest sense would have accepted it. I certainly applaud Allardyce and Williams for not breaking out in laughter when that fee was agreed.

If I recall right I even sent an email to the club (to Williams via his PA Lynsey Talbot to be more precise) specifically to state that it was a great deal and Allardyce shouldn't have to justify it.

 

[Reidy You're A Star]

Why does this keep needing to be explained Blueandwhite? It's bloody obvious...... even a blind man on a galloping horse can see that. Too many folk have Champagne taste but on beer money.

Sometimes you can get sparkling wine that is basically the same, but on a lesser budget. Hughes was the perfect example of this and if the Trust had backed him when he was trying to sign Diarra for tuppence when we were a pubes breadth from 4th, then they could've enjoyed a fruitful economic season in the Champions League and who knows what would have followed. But I'd bet my right nut we wouldn't be 4th in League 1 a few years later. It was greed and astonishingly bad timing that started our demise and the trust should feel forever guilty of that fact.

 

[Vinjay]

Shouldn't forget Lewandowski either. It wasn't that bloody volcano though I'm not sure why he was gonna visit the training ground. Allardyce said the club wouldn't pay what was being asked for him but maybe the club were still unsure at that point. Could have been other pending deals too (so hypothetically causing the RL deal to fall through) but it seems strange to invite the player over if you're not certain about doing a deal. More starvation from the Walker family influenced trust.

 

[Reidy You're A Star]

If a player was dead set on a move, they would've put it back a week or two til they could sign it. My impression was that it was his way into the riches of English football and one move away from a Utd or Chelsea, but he had 2nd thoughts, stayed where he was and the rest is history. Websites may say otherwise, but I think Levandowski was a none stater, unfortunately.

 

[Drog]

Must aggravate the Allardyce haters that he continues to be in so much demand year after year in the Premier League. Kinda negates all this discussion really doesn't it?

 

[Drog]

Shouldn't forget Lewandowski either. It wasn't that bloody volcano though I'm not sure why he was gonna visit the training ground. Allardyce said the club wouldn't pay what was being asked for him but maybe the club were still unsure at that point. Could have been other pending deals too (so hypothetically causing the RL deal to fall through) but it seems strange to invite the player over if you're not certain about doing a deal. More starvation from the Walker family influenced trust.

If you think that about missing out on top players because of starvation of funding from the Walker Family then it must be said that it started with Jack himself when he refused to stump up for (was it 9m) for Zidane and Dugarry. "Why do you want him when we have Tim Sherwood?" Juve signed the pair for about 15m euros and Real paid 77m euros just a few years later for just Zidane. Worse still ZZ went on to become World Player of the year 3 times over!
Worse still there is some anecdotal evidence that Jack refusing to buy ZZ and Dugarry went someway toward Kenny's resignation as Manager. Did our decline from the top of the tree begin then perhaps?