Old Darwen Blue
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When Mowbray is sacked I suspect Bradley will be out of the side.
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Brad will make you eat your words.
steve w
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And they are managed by a certain Tony Mowbray!!
blueandwhitehalves
Senior Member
Indeed, taking a newly promoted club to the play-offs over 46 games is a heck of a lot more meaningful than losing 2 games.
Its always the same though, some fans are desperate to see Mowbray fail to be proved right, some are desperate to see JDT fail to be proved right. Personally I think the critics of both have already been proven wrong. Mowbray was a success at Rovers in 4 of his 5 seasons, and has been one at Sunderland in 1 out of 1. And JDT has been a success 1 out of 1.
Why on earth Rovers fans would want to see a former or current Rovers manager fail is beyond me (unless its Steve Kean).
Its always the same though, some fans are desperate to see Mowbray fail to be proved right, some are desperate to see JDT fail to be proved right. Personally I think the critics of both have already been proven wrong. Mowbray was a success at Rovers in 4 of his 5 seasons, and has been one at Sunderland in 1 out of 1. And JDT has been a success 1 out of 1.
Why on earth Rovers fans would want to see a former or current Rovers manager fail is beyond me (unless its Steve Kean).
Old Darwen Blue
Prediction Champion 2021 & 2022
I’m not knocking Bradley Al but I wonder how many offers he had from other clubs? I’m sure even TM would see his signing as a gamble. My point was that if TM failed to turn around their form then Sunderland would sack him and I doubt a new manager coming in would have any faith in Dack.
blueandwhitehalves
Senior Member
Ah fair enough, seems you ended up trolling me instead of DrogIf you guys are replying to my post - I think you may have missed it was meant tongue in cheek and as a bit of a fun dig at Drog
i tend to do the same when discussing the abject failure - David Raya
I'm admittedly a bit sensitive to criticism of TM. Al's been saying Dack should be seen as a Rovers hero (which I don't quite agree with myself, but can see the argument). By that reckoning for me though, Mowbray should be seen as whatever ranks above a hero. Being a manager is far harder than being a player, your impact on a club is far greater, and therefore you should get far more credit than players do for significant club successes.
I found it thoroughly depressing and disloyal the hostility towards Souness on his return, and feel like there's a similar lack of appreciation for what Mowbray did. Without Souness we might have completely fallen off the PL TV money train and had the Walker Trust rushing to sell us within a year or 2 of Jack passing (plus we'd be 50% lighter in our trophy cabinet of the last century). Without Mowbray we could have been marooned in League 1 for years (like Bolton, Portsmouth and Charlton), with our debt shooting up so fast that Venkys were forced into a complete firesale of our entire squad.
Its easy to assume after the fact that these revivals were always guaranteed. They weren't of course, they were great achievements and Mowbray should be seen as a Rovers legend in my book, not someone to laugh at if it goes pear-shaped at Sunderland. But just making a general point (having managed to wind myself up again there
), appreciate you were being tongue-in-cheek!
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You are have a right to your opinion ODB. I just don't agree with it.
Mowbray (imo) played a huge part in the Academy production line which was a trickle before him and now is a virtual torrent. If as I suspect he contributed as much as I think then we all owe him a huge debt of gratitude. However if he did that then it makes the owners decision to replace him even more mystifying.Ah fair enough, seems you ended up trolling me instead of Drog
I'm admittedly a bit sensitive to criticism of TM. Al's been saying Dack should be seen as a Rovers hero (which I don't quite agree with myself, but can see the argument). By that reckoning for me though, Mowbray should be seen as whatever ranks above a hero. Being a manager is far harder than being a player, your impact on a club is far greater, and therefore you should get far more credit than players do for significant club successes.
I found it thoroughly depressing and disloyal the hostility towards Souness on his return, and feel like there's a similar lack of appreciation for what Mowbray did. Without Souness we might have completely fallen off the PL TV money train and had the Walker Trust rushing to sell us within a year or 2 of Jack passing (plus we'd be 50% lighter in our trophy cabinet of the last century). Without Mowbray we could have been marooned in League 1 for years (like Bolton, Portsmouth and Charlton), with our debt shooting up so fast that Venkys were forced into a complete firesale of our entire squad.
Its easy to assume after the fact that these revivals were always guaranteed. They weren't of course, they were great achievements and Mowbray should be seen as a Rovers legend in my book, not someone to laugh at if it goes pear-shaped at Sunderland. But just making a general point (having managed to wind myself up again there
blueandwhitehalves
Senior Member
I'm just relieved that after rolling the dice on a 5 they got another 5. Credit whoever picks the managers these days, two good uns in a row after six bad/mediocre uns is a welcome improvement.
steve w
Senior Member
I could have managed that squad up from Div1
As for the acadamy - he was happy to go along with the plan to sell it off and adopt a "Brentford Model" so "his" heroics in that area are despite him - not because of him imo
I fully accept he did a decent job overall, and I am greatful that he certainly steadied the ship - but the fact the ship even needed steadying is a much deeper, long running, issue
I return to the point that his death spiral in the covid season (and the season after) would, without a single doubt, have cost him his job if fans had been in the ground - Dont forget he managed the worst run of results in our Entire history
As for the acadamy - he was happy to go along with the plan to sell it off and adopt a "Brentford Model" so "his" heroics in that area are despite him - not because of him imo
I fully accept he did a decent job overall, and I am greatful that he certainly steadied the ship - but the fact the ship even needed steadying is a much deeper, long running, issue
I return to the point that his death spiral in the covid season (and the season after) would, without a single doubt, have cost him his job if fans had been in the ground - Dont forget he managed the worst run of results in our Entire history
Well I don't call our April record under JDT of 8 points from a possible 27 promotion serious form steve. Remember too that 3 of those came in the last exhilerating match at Millwall otherwise it would have been 5 points from a possible 24! I've no idea where that last 45 minutes came from because we had been so bad for the previous weeks. We fell off a similar cliff to previous seasons but just a few weeks later.
steve w
Senior Member
Different discussion drog
TM would have gone if there had been fans
I didn't hear a single JDT out chant
Peter quill
Active Member
I was pre covid working in Norwich and it coincided with rovers under 23 playing Norwich. I ended up sat with the parents and they hated Mowbrays attitude to the academy and his desperation to close it.
Make of that what you will but he was not the instigator of a production line the academy survived despite of him not because of him. That’s direct from the parents of players at the academy
Peter quill
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I’m new here but it says I’m ignoring content from ODB. What have I pressed
Old Darwen Blue
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