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Drog

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Unfortunately the sports news this morning is dominated by the racist issue rather than the match which tbh is all wrong. An item on the main news OK but not the day's sports headline. Just serves to detract from another good performance from Southgate's new model army.

Abhorrent that racial chanting is to our sensibilities these days it isn't all that long ago that black footballers were being bombarded by bananas in this country. Our press are full of frothy self righteous indignation of course this morning but we never cut these ex Warsaw pact nations any slack do we? We never attempt to see the other side of the coin, we simply expect the rest of the world to automatically adopt our standards which to be frank have been formed after centuries of the sun never setting on the British Empire. We've benefited from years of subliminal conditioning with our colonial past, however we need to rem that these nations are only just turned 20 after effectively 2 generations under the influence of the Soviet Union. Truth is that behind the iron curtain they haven't really had much contact with other races and religions and social engineering / education is never a quick process.
Ignorance may be no excuse but it's definitely a reason. Maybe we need to recall the execution by hanging of the "Frenchman" by the good citizens of Hartlepool.

We aren't perfect either though are we? Many (myself included) believe that we have gone too far down this road in our own country. Last weeks shocking treatment of Amber Rudd for a simple and imo fairly understandable slip of the tongue being just one example. Is it racist to use a now outdated term which back in Rudd's formative years children were being encouraged to use because it was considered back then to be "right on ya" and completely PC. As we see with religious matters infantile conditioning can take an awful lot of erasing. Rudd's attacker in chief Diane Abbott remember was the woman who insisted on BBC TV that black mother's care for their children better than white mothers. I would suggest "Andrew you know what I mean" not being her best defence on that occasion and perhaps something which she might do well to recall before going in with both feet in future.
 
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Drog

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Seems Chelsea are offering Callum Hudson Odoi 'counselling' after the racist abuse he's been subject to. The abuse has been described as Monkey chants apparently. Now unsavoury though it is to both right thinking whites and blacks (or should that in the current climate perhaps be blacks and whites?) can the poor wee mite not afford to pay for his own counselling out of hos megabucks earnings?
Does he even need counselling? Really? Especially given the rigours of the top level football where opposing teams and supporters will seek to expose and exploit any weakness in the future and where mental toughness is a must?
I'm a 'ginner' (or rather 'was':() and I got teased right the way through school about it. Apparently these days to the less cerebral, skin colour is a bigger burden than hair colour to a child despite both being simple genetic characteristics. Anyway my Mother always advised to ignore the taunts and don't let anyone see that you are upset or it'll get worse. "Sticks and stones" she used to say. It seemed to work although would Mother's advice not be considered 'counselling' these days or does proper counselling need to cost a King's ransom on Harley St by some overpaid shrink?

OR to anyone with as cynical a mind as I. Could it be that this is just another tactic dreamed up in the boardroom at Stamford Bridge as part of the increasingly desperate quest to make him sign another contract? Presumably just so that he can sit on Chelsea's bench next to Reuban Loftus-Cheek rather than become an integral part of Bayern's or anybody else's 1st team as he really should if he is to improve? Somebody will be most concerned but for all the wrong reasons I'd imagine. Crocodile tears. Egg on the face not being something that I'd imagine Abromavic would easily tolerate.
 
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davebirch

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He should do what Adam Goodes did when the same thing happened to him.
He went over to the area it happened and pointed out the person. (in this case it was a 15 year old female!)
The problem in eastern europe is that racism seems to be rampant.
 

Drog

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See my earlier post dave. Imo it's just a consequence of being shut off from the rest of the world when they were trapped behind the iron curtain. They aren't terrible people, they are just in the process of catching up with the rest of the world.
 

Drog

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10/11/17
England v Germany. 70 mins and still 0-0. Good match up to now with many decent chances at both ends. I often stated that I could find a team of players from out of the big 4/5 that would play with heart and perform better than the 'big heads' have in major competitions. Seems Southgate has stumbled on the same thought albeit through necessity.
Some excellent performances especially from Pickford and Trippier. Loftus Cheek looks like he could be a real player! Keep it up lads!
Seems the press and media are catching on to the quality of this lad albeit 18 months late.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ek-finally-delivering-can-chelseas-important/

As I've said since Loftus Cheek should see off Dele Ali from the England set up with ease. He is just so powerful and could be Englands equivalent to Pogba for France although I would hope Loftus Cheek has more between his ears. Unfortunately Chelsea have gazillions of top players in that position so unless he gets a good run in the team he really needs to be looking to move on to develop and prove he can be consistent week in week out at the top level. Where he goes to will probably be abroad as I doubt Chelsea would sell him to a rival English club.
 

Wilpshire Blue

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I'm not starting a thread for the women's world cup but having seen a few of the highlights of games, it had to be said that VAR is starting to look like a nightmare.
I hope FIFA learn from this tournament or next season's Premier League and the Euros are going to be a joke.
 

Drog

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English football..... always the bridesmaids again eh? Now I didn't watch this match so I've no idea who was the better team but viewing the headlines it would have been so easy to have beaten the USA 3-2 wouldn't it?
That penalty taker placed it well but with nowhere near enough power, also just before the run up she glanced to the side that she put the penalty which imo is a giveaway. Better to glance the way you intend then take a slightly longer look at the other side before taking the kick... always making sure that the keeper is closely watching you of course.
As for the offside... what a joke! I know that VAR allows for such definition but apparently our striker was offside by 1cm! That's prob less than the length of her big toe nail! Now I don't study these rules so I may be wrong but I was under the impression that with running races it's not the foot but the chest which counts. Would make much more sense by allowing players to time their runs better and not having to take into account stride length.
 

Drog

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Best team won, and by a distance. Says much when our GK was MoM by a mile. I think Southgate is being found out at present. It won't do either him or the playing squad any harm though to be brought down to earth by a better team. In fact after his initial 'breath of fresh air' approach I see Southgate falling into the same traps as his predecessors by picking a squad that is based on popularity with the press and media! A downward spiral as the experience of England's laughable 'golden generation' experience should have taught us. Gerrard and Lampard holding hands at the edge of the box and getting in each others way for a decade being the case in point. I feel should they be playing today Gareth would have dropped the pair of them at the start of his tenure but would by now be pencilling them into his selection from the start.
The possession stats didn't reflect the play as throughout the 1st half the Czechs were on the front foot whilst when we were in possession too many touches and square passes made us look ponderous and slow in comparison.

The preoccupation with youth although popular amongst disgruntled fans is rarely the answer. 'if you are good enough you are old enough' is a truism but picking players simply because they are young is foolish. Sancho and Mount being a way off from being part of the starting line up imo whilst I've no idea what Abraham possesses in international terms. Much better to play some of the 'B' players who play for less fashionable clubs who might actually feel honoured to be selected for their country. If nothing else being dropped would maybe light a fire under the 'automatic' choices. Vardy, Shelvey, Grealish (and hopefully a fully fit Loftus Cheek) being quite some distance in front of the above imo. What Rashford brings to the party except a few Manc supporters I fail to see. He's not a bad player of course but he certainly isn't top international level either and in no way should he be an 'auutomatic' in the England squad. So what is Rashford exactly? He's no target man that's for sure and he's no winger either! Currently he's playing poorly in a team that is doing likewise. At least Lingard was left behind to watch it from his front room telly. The only Man Utd player worth an England shirt currently being Maguire.

The defence again being flawed beyond belief with no sign of improving. Memo to Southgate.... The necessary primary quality of any defender is to defend NOT to be able to do 100 keepy uppeys on the training ground and play triangles with the other defenders on the field of play!!! Jack Charlton having a World Cup winners medal on his mantlepiece confirms it. As WB says the scorer of the winner was afforded too much time but I also find fault with Rose's amateurish covering of the far post for the first Czech goal when a shot beat him on the post side!!! WTF is that all about? Keane most definitely isn't up to the CH role and only Maguire looking anything like capable at this level. As with Deli Ali I can't take to Danny Rose. Something about their attitude that grates with me. Last night Rose's limitations were exposed time and again. I couldn't see anyone but was he perhaps more interested in spotting someone eating a banana in the crowd than concentrating on the game? Seems Roy Kean holds similar opinions on these types
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10119971/roy-keane-dele-alli-jesse-lingard-england-squad/.

So is it a blip? Will it serve as a kick up the arse OR will it have a negative effect by putting a massive dent in our confidence? Monday might give us a pointer.
 

Drog

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Gareth Southgate defending his policy of playing young players by saying 'these players will be at their best in 5 or 6 years and future England managers will have the benefit. If that's the case then why isn't he playing the 25-27 year olds now? He needs to learn the lessons of the past decades.... it's not about young or old, nor is it totally about skill and ability. It's more to do with hunger and desire. Every player when interviewed will give us the same old platitudes by telling us that it's the best thing in the world to pull on the England shirt but I'd love to see the reaction should they be wired up to a lie detector.
 

Drog

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Four nil up on 45 mins and the game is being overshadowed by complaints of racism from Southgate and a couple of his players. Listen lads it's Bulgaria ffs! Must hardly have come as a surprise eh? We've a commentator bleating like a right mard arse too. For goodness sake we can only damage our own chances here! We have little right to dictate what citizens of other countries do and we should just roll with it. It's not nice at all but why does no one advise our lads to simply rise above it by ignoring it? They are supposed to be professionals aren't they? As I've said previously back when I played any physical difference was utilised to try and put opposing players off their game. I was subjected to lots of abuse because I had red hair, any fat lads would get dogs abuse too. Long and short would have been singled out for mocking, how many times will Crouch have been called a long streak of piss over the years he's played? This stuff was around before Albert Johansson first kicked a ball down the left wing at Elland Road!

Southgate should afford some sympathy for the England fans over there first and the fans at home second. Not one of our fans will want to see this match abandoned yet we are going down the right road for that to happen! Those fans in the ground that have paid a lot of money to follow the team to eastern Europe and last time out saw a right load of bollox from the players. How about the companies that sponsor this stuff and the TV companies that have paid to screen the matches too? It might be seen as terribly PC to act like Southgate is but when has it ever been clever to bite the hand that feeds you? We are setting ourselves up as European footballs Thought Police and that is not our job! All that this action is doing is giving the Bulgarians who are seeing their team getting a hiding an incentive to continue their insults so that the game might get abandoned.
It's taken 30 years to kick racism out over here and it'll prob take at least the same over there, it's a long slow process which few behind the mike appear to have considered.

Just as an aside at 4-0 up Southgate could put a stop to this by taking every black player off and still see this game out quite comfortably. It'd stop the racist abuse no doubt but would then Southgate be guilty of racism? :confused:
 
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Drog

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6-0 5 mins to go and Sancho's had his socks lacerated by a particularly nasty Bulgarian challenge,

There's an old chant frequently sung in jest "You're worse than San Marino"..... applies perfectly to Bulgaria tonight.
 

Drog

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6-0... FT and as far as I am concerned the best payback possible by the entire team for the Bulgarian hooligans who attempted to weaponise skin colour. Any other actions would have justified their actions.
 

Drog

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People who live in glass houses............ https://www.skysports.com/football/...ed-by-uefa-following-their-european-qualifier

I must say I soon stopped my kids telling tales and making accusatory statements about one another in order to get the other into trouble. I didn't ask too many questions I just smacked em both on the legs! Life was much more peaceful once that little strategy of theirs was dispensed with.
Seems UEFA are of the same opinion.
 

Drog

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Seems there's been a bit of afters in the england training camp between Raheem sterling and joe Gomes. As a result Sterling's been dropped and will miss the match.
I wonder if Southgate have done that if we had not been playing Montenegro in a meaningless qualifier but rather a major power at the World Cup knock out stages? Would he have done the same if one of them had been white? Southgate must be thanking the Lord that both these lads share the same colour of skin or the press and media would be stirring all manner of bother up!
I don't know the details but I'd have probably exhibited a little of the wisdom of Solomon and dropped em both rather than play judge and jury on just one in order to prevent ANY accusations of taking sides.
 
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