JDT - Jon Dahl Tomasson

[Dunnfc]

Can we get a poll on this man Mods? For the record I say keep… just.

 

[Barmitzvah Boy]

Can we get a poll on this man Mods? For the record I say keep… just.

3/10

 

[Dunnfc]

3/10

We’re now what similar to the Mowbray time chapter of last season? What do you think!?

 

[Barmitzvah Boy]

We’re now what similar to the Mowbray time chapter of last season? What do you think!?

I need to be convinced. The guy (JDT) talks in riddles. I just want players who are motivated, put in 100% and have a clear game plan.

Not a lot to ask for, is it?

The jury is still out.

 

[Old Darwen Blue]

Amazing, the guys been here barely six months. Look at the number of youngsters he fielded today, any other manager would struggle to have us top ten. We are one point off third and still in the playoff positions!

 

[Drog]

Well the last time we were drubbed in this manner was v PNE. The week after we went to Norwich and won 0-2 so only a repeat next week will soothe the hurt. Fact remains though that JDT needs to come up with a Plan B for when we do go a goal down.... and quickly.

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

If the criteria for sacking managers is having a bad run, we'll become a Watford/Chelsea type club but without the money. Personally I think expectation levels should be realistic and reflect squad wage bills (i.e. we should be mid-table at best) and managers should be shown loyalty and given time unless they fall significantly below that realistic expectation level.

It feels as though most fans (not just Rovers) are going in the opposite direction to that these days though. The expectation level is always promotion, no matter how small your club is, and the demanded approach is to keep sacking managers until one can achieve that. I think for skint clubs like Rovers, that instability will just send us towards League 1 and give us a reputation of a club managers should avoid. Not to mention the constant pay-outs we'd need to do. JDT is on a 3-year contract, I'd guess at about £1m per year, so we're looking at a £2.5m pay-off to sack him now.

 

[Drog]

Fact remains in my mind that Mowbray was a better Manager and a safer pair of hands.

 

[Dunnfc]

Who’s been your favourite “venkys” chosen manager? I’m going to for Gary Bowyer

 

[Old Darwen Blue]

Has to be TM although it was all getting tiring near the end.

 

[Drog]

Two horse race isn't it?

 

[Alan]

None

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

Who’s been your favourite “venkys” chosen manager? I’m going to for Gary Bowyer

As ever I'd judge it off expected position with our wage bill so:

Kean - expected: bottom half PL, actual: relegation, verdict: poor
Bowyer - expected: promotion, actual: top half, verdict: poor
Lambert - expected: mid-table, actual: mid-table, verdict: average
Coyle - expected: mid-table, actual: relegation, verdict: rubbish
Mowbray - expected: promotion and mid-table, actual: promotion and top half, verdict: good
Tomasson - expected: mid-table, actual: top half, verdict: good

Berg and Appleton not worth analysing, just crap. So yeah Mowbray the best of the lot for me and Tomasson so far the second best. But that's all based around the thinking that when we had parachute payments we should have been bossing this league, now we bring in about £18m per season and should adjust expectations accordingly.

 

[steve w]

As ever I'd judge it off expected position with our wage bill so:

Kean - expected: bottom half PL, actual: relegation, verdict: poor -- The very worst of the worst
Bowyer - expected: promotion, actual: top half, verdict: poor - Average, hands tied and thrown in at the deep end
Lambert - expected: mid-table, actual: mid-table, verdict: average - agree
Coyle - expected: mid-table, actual: relegation, verdict: rubbish - Should never have got any nearer than where he lives
Mowbray - expected: promotion and mid-table, actual: promotion and top half, verdict: good - ok apart from the seasonal death spiral
Tomasson - expected: mid-table, actual: top half, verdict: good -- jury very much out

Berg and Appleton not worth analysing, just crap. So yeah Mowbray the best of the lot for me and Tomasson so far the second best. But that's all based around the thinking that when we had parachute payments we should have been bossing this league, now we bring in about £18m per season and should adjust expectations accordingly.

All in all - like their tenure - a shit show!! Will this nightmare ever end!!

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

All in all - like their tenure - a shit show!! Will this nightmare ever end!!

Broken record I know, but I don't see what the "nightmare" is. 1SG did a brilliant post on the resources and crowds of every team in the league which had us as still the joint 3rd most over-performing of all 92 league clubs. I keep saying we're a mid-table side when defending JDT, but 1SG's analysis had us as a relegation side (which I definitely think we could be if we had an actual bad manager).

The only nightmare I see is what 20 years of insane success in the 90s and 00s has done to the expectations of the fanbase and the atmosphere at games. I watched City v Spurs the other night and listening to the City fans angry groans at misplaced passes and booing at half time made me wonder what they're gonna be like when they no longer have rich owners and go back to being a mid-table side at best, exactly like Rovers fans are now probably, permanently dissatisfied.

What we experienced 1991-2011: 2 promotions, 2 major trophies, too many European campaigns, top 6 finishes and domestic cup semi-finals for me to bother counting. That is so far beyond normal for a town football club that its ludicrous. What we experienced in that period should never be expected, will never happen again, and definitely shouldn't be what current managers are judged against. This isn't a nightmare, we were just living a fantasy. This is normal for any other town football club.

 

[Old Darwen Blue]

Spot on that pal. In my view most Rovers fans are spoilt moaning buggers.

 

[steve w]

I agree but.......
We had it.........
And fucking threw it away. And everything that has happened including our slide back down to our 'real' level could (and much more importantly) should never have happened
And that is why it's a shit show imo

 

[Drog]

I agree but.......
We had it.........
And fucking threw it away. And everything that has happened including our slide back down to our 'real' level could (and much more importantly) should never have happened
And that is why it's a shit show imo

Out of our control unfortunately. We've been hamstrung and set back permanently by a swindler who took the venkys to the cleaners. Everything from binning off Big Sam, John Williams, Tom Finn etc to spewing our parachute money away to overseas tax havens is down to Dastardly and Muttley. If anyone is diagnosed with a terminal illness and you see either (or preferably both) crossing the road in front of your car you all know what to do.

 

[Drog]

I watched City v Spurs the other night and listening to the City fans angry groans at misplaced passes and booing at half time made me wonder what they're gonna be like when they no longer have rich owners and go back to being a mid-table side at best, exactly like Rovers fans are now probably, permanently dissatisfied.

Like roundly booing the likes of Tim Sherwood (Captain Fantastic.... presumably cos he had long hair???) along with Jason Wilcox, Gamst Pederson, Lucas Neill, Lee Carsley, Kevin Davies and probably many more. btw all of those have full international caps on their mantlepeices illustrating the level of ignorance those people are at. Even worse the aggro and hate faced by a manager that was tailor made and proven as manager of a financially weak town club operating in the Premier League, ex England Manager with the 5th most Premier League matches to his name Big Sam Allardyce!
Would that we had all of those in their prime now! I might be wrong but I'd wager I'm not, that the majority of those know nowt booers do something else on Saturday afternoons nowadays. Sure we need bigger crowds and their money is as important as anyone else's but so long as we can compete at this level I'd be quite happy for them to stay away for ever.

 

[Drog]

As ever I'd judge it off expected position with our wage bill so:

Kean - expected: bottom half PL, actual: relegation, verdict: poor and the financial damage done by him and his chum will either plague us forever or create our demise.
Bowyer - expected: promotion, actual: top half, verdict: poor. I disagree here, I think he did a sterling job in bringing top players in and preventing the ship hitting the rocks. When he came in the club was a true basket case.
Lambert - expected: mid-table, actual: mid-table, verdict: average CRAP! And much worse than all but Kean and Coyle in my book. His overall record bears my opinion out.
Coyle - expected: mid-table, actual: relegation, verdict: rubbish
Mowbray - expected: promotion and mid-table, actual: promotion and top half, verdict: good
Tomasson - expected: mid-table, actual: top half, verdict: good. The jury is well and truly still out for me. He inherited a good squad with lots of Academy kids breaking through largely from Mowbray's efforts, yet whilst we have a few decent to good performances this season we have plenty of godawful ones, and ones where we have absolutely NO plan B!
Berg and Appleton not worth analysing, just crap. So yeah Mowbray the best of the lot for me and Tomasson so far the second best. But that's all based around the thinking that when we had parachute payments we should have been bossing this league, now we bring in about £18m per season and should adjust expectations accordingly.

Hope you don't mind me editing my opinions in bwh.