Northampton Town v Rovers: 23rd December 2017 - what a load of cobblers!!

[OnlyOneTugay]

Thanks Abbs that reminds me it’s time for a brew & a mince pie ( plus a high dose of insulin ! )

Merry Christmas one and all !

 

[Drog]

Beyond pathetic if that's the case. There's some horrible c**** go to watch football aren't there. Worst bit about following football, trying to support a team stood among idiots who just want to swear at them.

More than Venkys its what's stopped me going to home matches, but even away you can only guarantee the singing will drown them out if we're winning. I love how the context means nothing to them either, 6 wins on the bounce, maybe go easy over a draw? Nah! Thick as pig s***, usually sloshed and basically bullies.

It's why I stopped going to away matches years ago.

 

[Drog]

You must have been stood next to me. We really need roversfans.com badges. I thought it was a pen but the ball was heading out of play.

I booed them off, not good enough first half against relegation fodder.

Not really fair after the team win six on the spin chor. Especially not after events at Peterborough last time out.

 

[khmerblue]

I still think our fans have a premier League mentality,I just read the match thread on brfcs and some clown is moaning because we're 3rd and not 2nd.jeez I think most football knowledgeable roverites would have took 3rd at this stage of the season.Some complain about TM,saying he is not good enough etc,god help us next season in the championship because I would take 4th from bottom as a success and build on that the following season,but TM will be hounded out and venksters will appoint another coil and we will be were we today.Stability is what we need at the club and that does not come by hiring and firing managers.
Seen the highlights from yesterday and we had enough chances to win,Conways miss was dreadful and the penalty was poor,does the keeper still have to stay on his line,because the cobblers kepper was at least 3yards of his.
Anyway it's Christmas day here,have a good one folks.

 

[yoda]

Considering the numbers of the squad that was laid up ill most off the week, point away is ok

 

[Vinjay]

I still think our fans have a premier League mentality,I just read the match thread on brfcs and some clown is moaning because we're 3rd and not 2nd.jeez I think most football knowledgeable roverites would have took 3rd at this stage of the season.Some complain about TM,saying he is not good enough etc,god help us next season in the championship because I would take 4th from bottom as a success and build on that the following season,but TM will be hounded out and venksters will appoint another coil and we will be were we today.Stability is what we need at the club and that does not come by hiring and firing managers.
Seen the highlights from yesterday and we had enough chances to win,Conways miss was dreadful and the penalty was poor,does the keeper still have to stay on his line,because the cobblers kepper was at least 3yards of his.
Anyway it's Christmas day here,have a good one folks.

I'm not complaining about 3rd at this point in the season. I would be just as uncertain if the club was 2nd and I certainly wouldn't be complaining about that at end of the season. I've already said that Wigan were my biggest concern (considering how they handled this league last time) so its no surprise they are 1st to me. Their manager has no history of failure like Mowbray does so he may well be the better manager. At this stage in 2000 the club wasn't in the automatic spots. As time went on however it became clear that Rovers were better than Bolton and it felt like only a matter of time. I can't say it feels that way this season. As for fans "still" having a Premier League mentality I don't think a lot ever had it.

I'm simply not convinced Mowbray is good enough though I do think he might be in terms of L1 promotion. That's why I wouldn't really favor sacking him at the moment (especially with Venkys choosing a replacement) but in the Championship another promotion? I don't think so and if the club gets promoted then that should be the aim. Not immediate expectation but I'm not convinced Mowbray could build towards that. That's not lacking knowledge or being entitled. I would favor giving the job in the Championship to an "up and comer" (or if there's a takeover it could be a big name with a good or at least mixed record) because sometimes you need to find out if someone will sink and swim. Mowbray has drowned one time too many and if he fails to get promotion this season its disastrous for him. He had expectation at Celtic obviously but he never had it at WBA or Middlesbrough like he does with Rovers this particular season.

This season carries a lot of expectation. The players know what they signed up for. I'm not saying boo them in cases like yesterday but they had to realise it wasn't good enough. Even if the fans think they have done great in the prior 6 leagye games we don't want to lavish them with endless praise. Its sometimes better for the fans to put some pressure on the players so they don't slip into any comfort zone. At some point of course praise comes with some slack (unless you're like United fans who are never happy) but right now they haven't quite reached that point.

As for the penalty I've commented on that and yes it was poor. Not from Conway though unless he blackmailed Antonsson into a rubbish attempt for some reason.

 

[khmerblue]

I get peoples worry that TM has a bad track record,but is it not possible that a guy can get better at his job,certainly in my choosen profession it got easier as time went on.He has done no wrong in his time at ewood,some blame him for last yrs relagation but anyone with a brian knows the blame lies at the venksters door.
He said we needed a squad of players for this league as games come thick and fast,we have a decent squad and with the returning Lenihan it's going to get better.
All in all I would give TM a A- for the season so far.
Onwards and upwards.

 

[Drog]

Mowbray's strengths are that he is a football man and I feel commands a lot of respect from his players. His weakness to me is tactical naivety. Last week going from a 4-4-1-1 to a 4-4-2 could have been disastrous as Charlton were already swamping us in midfield. If he accepts that then he should import someone with tactical strength as his No2. I see Allardyce now not only has Little Sam alongside him on the bench but also Craig Shakespeare sitting high up in the stands to advise on tactics.

 

[ABBEY]

Gee allardyce again ..every thread ...sigh

 

[Vinjay]

I get peoples worry that TM has a bad track record,but is it not possible that a guy can get better at his job,certainly in my choosen profession it got easier as time went on.He has done no wrong in his time at ewood,some blame him for last yrs relagation but anyone with a brian knows the blame lies at the venksters door.
He said we needed a squad of players for this league as games come thick and fast,we have a decent squad and with the returning Lenihan it's going to get better.
All in all I would give TM a A- for the season so far.
Onwards and upwards.

He has done things wrong including a difficult start this season. I kinda anticipated a bit of inconsistency (other big clubs have had difficulties in this league and in some cases needed more than 1 season) but that's partly because of concern over him in first place. I was right about Wigan adapting more easily though so who's to say my concerns over Mowbray are unfounded? As for doing nothing wrong keeping Lowe on at Wolves while needing a goal was about as wrong as anyone can get. Still can't believe the sheer stupidity of it. Naive as well in some ways but at this level perhaps he has enough qualities to compensate. Yes its possible he could learn from mistakes but he's not a young, inexperienced manager is he? Like I've said 3rd at Christmas isn't a disaster but there would be less pressure at this point without someone who has a history of failure. Your attitude is too nice and passive where he's concerned. Its worrying too especially when so many snakes (not so much Mowbray) have taken advantage of fans "good" nature.

 

[Drog]

Gee allardyce again ..every thread ...sigh

Much considered opinion says that he is a very thorough and scientifically astute Manager that there is. Nothing wrong with suggesting that Mowbray learns from the Master is there guys?

 

[ABBEY]

And allardyce has what exactly to do with Northampton

 

[Vinjay]

He probably could learn something valuable from studying managers like Allardyce and even more from ones who have won things. All managers can probably learn something from others (both good ones and bad ones) but Mowbray's not gonna just start acting like Brian Clough overnight. Tactically yes he can study but you have to remember players at L1 level can't generally do what Everton's can.

 

[Drog]

And allardyce has what exactly to do with Northampton

Very little I'll admit. However read the last few posts again and you'll find that I'd made the comment in response to comments (including criticisms) made in the two previous posts about Tony Mowbray. Feel free to move them to Mowbray's thread if you like Abbey.

 

[khmerblue]

You know drog gets a bee in his bonnet, ,he has to nail the point over and over again,bfs is a plonker was manager of England and still had his snout in the trough,him and Fergie make great mates.

 

[Vinjay]

Very little I'll admit. However read the last few posts again and you'll find that I'd made the comment in response to comments (including criticisms) made in the two previous posts about Tony Mowbray. Feel free to move them to Mowbray's thread if you like Abbey.

Yet you conveniently HAVE to use Allardyce when you could have used the name of virtually any manager. As I've said my points can be repetitive but they are generally about people who have done long term damage to the club and get nowhere near enough abuse. They are also accurate comments unlike referring to Allardyce as "the master" . Also there's a few others like yourself (or not far off) who mention Allardyce time and time again.

Of course Allardyce didn't damage things long term (and neither did his departure because for the 454353642 time Kean didn't even take Rovers down that season and could have been removed well before May 2012) but you gloss over everything he does even his attempt to leave that previous summer. I didn't expect him to show endless loyalty (especially when many protested 2 years summers earlier and many of those were only begrudgingly accepting of him in December) but his arrogance rubbed me and others the wrong way.

Bolton survived for a few years after he left. West Ham have thus far and Palace had a bad start this season but Hodgson has built up their hopes at least. Newcastle didn't get relegated immediately after his departure either. OK Sunderland were relegated. England of course kinda different really but what did he do to prove himself at international level before? He hasn't even managed in the CL. either.

Its ridiculous that you can find ways to be critical of Jack Walker but everything Allardyce does is perfect. I sometimes wonder if you think it should be Allardyce who has a statue. His mentality has always been bleak at virtually every club he's managed and I think your own personality/mentality particularly towards Rovers gravitates towards that.

 

[AllRoverAsia]

It is somewhat of a shame that there is just a like button.

I could have used an "absolutely bewildered" after reading the above from Vinjay, particularly the final paragraph.

On Kean: whilst he did not get us relegated at the end of the 2010-11 season he did have a really good try. IMO the players saved us and sfa to do with the pretend manager.

 

[steve w]

It is somewhat of a shame that there is just a like button.

I could have used an "absolutely bewildered" after reading the above from Vinjay, particularly the final paragraph.

On Kean: whilst he did not get us relegated at the end of the 2010-11 season he did have a really good try. IMO the players saved us and sfa to do with the pretend manager.

Totally agree the players saved us that season - I clearly remember their faces at Everton as I and others were screaming at them at full time. Salgado and others looked genuinely upset and apologetic. And does my memory serve me right? I'm sure they went into a pre kick off huddle (I bet kean was livid)

 

[Alan]

Yet you conveniently HAVE to use Allardyce when you could have used the name of virtually any manager. As I've said my points can be repetitive but they are generally about people who have done long term damage to the club and get nowhere near enough abuse. They are also accurate comments unlike referring to Allardyce as "the master" . Also there's a few others like yourself (or not far off) who mention Allardyce time and time again.

Of course Allardyce didn't damage things long term (and neither did his departure because for the 454353642 time Kean didn't even take Rovers down that season and could have been removed well before May 2012) but you gloss over everything he does even his attempt to leave that previous summer. I didn't expect him to show endless loyalty (especially when many protested 2 years summers earlier and many of those were only begrudgingly accepting of him in December) but his arrogance rubbed me and others the wrong way.

Bolton survived for a few years after he left. West Ham have thus far and Palace had a bad start this season but Hodgson has built up their hopes at least. Newcastle didn't get relegated immediately after his departure either. OK Sunderland were relegated. England of course kinda different really but what did he do to prove himself at international level before? He hasn't even managed in the CL. either.

Its ridiculous that you can find ways to be critical of Jack Walker but everything Allardyce does is perfect. I sometimes wonder if you think it should be Allardyce who has a statue. His mentality has always been bleak at virtually every club he's managed and I think your own personality/mentality particularly towards Rovers gravitates towards that.

You have no room to talk about anybody having obsessions Vinjay. On Christmas Day I took you off ignore. On Boxing Day you are back on.

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

You know drog gets a bee in his bonnet, ,he has to nail the point over and over again,bfs is a plonker was manager of England and still had his snout in the trough,him and Fergie make great mates.

£100m of debt, halving of the fanbase, relegated 2 divisions. His sacking precipitated the fastest, worst and long-term most damaging decline in the club's entire history. One I'm sceptical we'll ever fully recover from.

Its hard to get over when it seems nothing has been learnt.