Northwich v Wovers: 20th March 2021

[Old Darwen Blue]

No way was that a deliberate elbow. I’m impressed with JRC I think we’ve got a real gem on our hands here, his improvement along with Buckley bode well for next season. Add in Dolan up front alongside McBride and I’m optimistic.

 

[steve w]

We are a far better team with JRC and I would bet our stats prove that.
He has the ability to move infield and find a pass unlike the one trick pony Nyambe (who I don't dislike - I just think he is limited by either lack of confidence or brain power)
Keeping JRC is a priority but I suspect he is already high up on some radars - our best hope of keeping him is his injury record

 

[Smells Like Kean Spirit]

I didn't see anything malicious there from JRC. I think our Academy players are developed to play the game; and JRC can play.

 

[Husky]

Can´t post the full iFollow highlights as you need an account, so here are the longest available:

"We came away with a point. If anything we are disappointed it was not more"



Until the delusional one leaves we are going nowhere. See you in 2022-23.

 

[AllRoverAsia]

Can´t post the full iFollow highlights as you need an account, so here are the longest available:

"We came away with a point. If anything we are disappointed it was not more"



Until the delusional one leaves we are going nowhere. See you in 2022-23.

1. We did come away with a point - so he's correct
2. We are disappointed it was not more - given that we always want more that's standard speak.
3. HOWEVER I suspect few would believe we actually deserved more than a point and I think we were lucky to get that meeting up with a Norwich team having a really off day.

JRC - the video evidence is compelling for those who like evidence over blue tinted specs.

 

[CLW-BRFC]

Can´t post the full iFollow highlights as you need an account, so here are the longest available:

"We came away with a point. If anything we are disappointed it was not more"



Until the delusional one leaves we are going nowhere. See you in 2022-23.

wonder how many agree with you 're the manager.

 

[Old Darwen Blue]

wonder how many agree with you 're the manager.

I don’t. How long did Fergie take to sort out manure?

Look where we where under Coyle such a short time ago and look at the progress within the club since?

Just because we aren’t yet back in the premier with regular European football I say stick with Tony now. Things could be worse, a whole lot worse.

 

[Drog]

Indeed so ODB. Looking at the list of managers and their records since Big Sam was forced out by Anderson with the backing of the Blackburn end haven't we learned our lesson?
Lets see, whilst Allardyce has since managed West Ham, Sunderland, Crystal Palace, Everton, West Brom and of course England his successors have been...
Kean. Sacked at Brunei he's surfaced at Melbourne Victory as assistant manager! I wouldnt have the little weasel anywhere near if I was manager there.
Henning Berg's managing a club called Omonia in Cyprus.
Appleton's manager at Lincoln.
Bowyer after being sacked at Bradford is now Managing Salford City.
Lambert has finally been sacked by Ipswich after a fans campaign to get him out.
Coyle has had 3 jobs in 3 years. Ross County who binned him after they found themselves bottom of the league and since then he's managed two clubs in India.

So if it's down to anyone with an ounce of common sense to stick or twist then it has to be stick.

 

[Wilpshire Blue]

I'd like to think that in the four years since Mowbray was appointed, there have been changes and realisations in the higher echelons of the club that will ensure such ill-advised appointments are a thing of the past.
We will see if that really is the case when ToMo goes.

 

[Drog]

I'd like to think that in the four years since Mowbray was appointed, there have been changes and realisations in the higher echelons of the club that will ensure such ill-advised appointments are a thing of the past.

I don't understand why you would say that WB cos they never have been have they? In fact poor managers are part of our past and no matter who was in charge. Before the venkys ever wrung a chickens neck Jim Iley was a poor appointment, bringing in Brian Kidd certainly didn't work out well at all and Paul Ince was just a bloody disaster.

 

[Wilpshire Blue]

I was referring to the knee-jerk or "slightly dodgy" aspects of many of those appointments.
There's always the risk of appointing an unsuccessful manager but most of the venky's era ones have been asking for trouble and left one scratching one's head.
I don't think I've really enjoyed the football on show at Ewood Park since Mark Hughes left.

 

[Drog]

I loved Blackeye Rovers as the media unfairly tagged us but I'm enjoying much of it right now. Just the recent results that have spoiled it for me.

 

[CLW-BRFC]

I don’t. How long did Fergie take to sort out manure?

Look where we where under Coyle such a short time ago and look at the progress within the club since?

Just because we aren’t yet back in the premier with regular European football I say stick with Tony now. Things could be worse, a whole lot worse.

well said. I had us down as dark horses. Every team who I had the same opinion of in each division are doing exactly the same as us. They cannot all sack their Managers. We have to give him until the first 10/15 games next season. If we are not in contention. Say out of top 10. Then things might have to change.

 

[Drog]

Surely...
1. We can have time by then to clear the horrific injury situation that we have been through.
and
2. Replace BB and SG and find a suitable replacement for Armstrong so that our quality of football will find a sharper edge at Championship level. A glance at their combined goal total in the last two seasons reveals their unsuitability for this league.

No one player can continue through a season the way Arma finished last season and started this one. tbh if the season had been Jan-Dec his goals could easily have seen us top 2 and certainly top 6. Other than AA who have we had to stick the ball in the net? BB and SG are not up to it whilst Holtby and Dack have been injured, Elliott's a possibility but still only young and playing out of harms way on the right. After that Rothwell has been brilliant up to the box but when he gets there if Arma is marked who can he he pass to who possesses a goal threat? Dolan too is a brilliant asset but he needs a strong partner up front. All his goals from memory have been through coming in on the back post to finish plays from the other wing off.

 

[Wilpshire Blue]

Last season we ended up with 63 points and played half the season without Dack (the real Dack, not the one we've seen recently).
Lots of talk from ToMo at the beginning of the season that progress would be measured by getting more points than 63 and targeting the play offs.
We are now in late March, have 8 matches left and have the grand total of 46 points.
We are nowhere near the play offs.
We are the best in the Championship at passing sideways and backwards in the first two-thirds of the pitch.
Only 8 of the 24 teams in our division have conceded more goals than us.
I can't see us getting 60 points by the end of the season, never mind more than 63.

I don't even think ToMo should be in charge for the rest of this season, never mind some of next season too.

Graeme Souness was a great manager for Rovers. He got us promoted back to the Prem and won us the Worthington Cup.
His brand of football - generally - was far more entertaining than we currently watch.
I, for one, will remember Souness much more fondly than ToMo as a past manager.
Having said all that, he became stale and the team started to drift downwards.
Regardless of his great achievements with the club (much greater achievements than ToMo's), most Rovers fans could see it was time to call it a day before Newcastle came in and saved us the trouble.

We appointed Mark Hughes and the slide was arrested.

If Tony Mowbray, nice guy or not, is in charge next season, we won't sniff the play offs, we will be mid to lower table again and another season will have been wasted.
He's been here 4 years, he's brought in or brought through his own players, he's spent a lot of money (for a club with our budget) and we have witnessed no progress in terms of league position or performances.

 

[Drog]

Comparing apples with pears there WB. There is a massive difference in the squad between the one Souness inherited and the one mowbray did. Rem Ternents 'Ferraris and minis' quote? I've said many times that very few of todays squad would get past the bench of that promotion team. Maybe Armstrong could squeeze in front of Bent but that's about it. Just imagine if Mowbray had had Dunn, Duff and Jansen in this division particularly with Berkovic, Flitty, Short, Berg, McAteer and Friedel in the squad too.
Souness had his 7m goof too didn't he with the decidedly whiffy signing of Grabbi. Plus I have massive questions marks over the signings of Ferguson and Amoruso from Murray / Viola at his beloved rangers (to be repeated with the dodgy signing of Boumsong from Gers for NUFC).
I will always be grateful to him though for bringing Tugay and Brad to the club. As for the rest of his time here he left Mark Hughes a Godawful hand of cards to play with when he left.

 

[Wilpshire Blue]

Not really, Drog.
I was making the point that the majority of managers get to their sell-by date, whatever they have achieved with the club in the past and Mowbray seems to be at his.
Mowbray is too often out-witted by the opposition for my liking and whilst he doesn't have Duff, Dunn etc, he does have some decent players for this division and he isn't getting the best out of them.

 

[Drog]

Maybe but how often has he been able to play his best back four? How many times has he been able to select the same midfield?
Anyway Duff Dunn Jansen Friedel Berko et al were top players in Premier League terms!

So if you would get rid who would bring in to replace him?

 

[steve w]

Maybe but how often has he been able to play his best back four? How many times has he been able to select the same midfield?
Anyway Duff Dunn Jansen Friedel Berko et al were top players in Premier League terms!

So if you would get rid who would bring in to replace him?

Now that is the £64k question
I think his time is up - but just looking at the list of Nob Enders possible managers does make you wonder who would do a better job and inspire the players and fan base

 

[Drog]

Now that is the £64k question
I think his time is up - but just looking at the list of Nob Enders possible managers does make you wonder who would do a better job and inspire the players and fan base

It was meant to be. Who would we like and who would come are very different questions. The answers will never suit everybody either. I was dead against Ince from the off and said so .. frequently! I got pelters for it along with snidey accusations of being racist which the BRFCS Mods totally ignored! As usual up against the intellectual derelicts on that site time proved me right.
'Look before you leap' has to be the motto, and as far as I am concerned you change the manager when you are in danger of relegation and not because of a recent slump in form / results / points when there are obvious reasons mostly out of the Manager's control behind them. As I've said somewhere else we haven't picked up many points but it's also been the case that since Armstrong has gone through a lean spell (as logic dictates he was always going to) that we haven't been hammered. In fact we've only lost by the odd goal for very many months.
I was against getting rid of Bowyer because quite simply he hadn't done badly at all, but plenty of people wanted him out and what happened? Relegation inside 18 months! Has any Bowyer haters ever held their hands up and apologised? Have they hell or if they have I certainly haven't heard them. Ditto with the knobheads who howled Allardyce out! A top manager ousted on the back of fools who wouldn't recognise a top manager if they tripped over one and what happened next? A succession of spivs and useless feckers in the hot seat that ultimately led to the club being relegated twice and returning to the Rovers of old pre JW! Plus I'd wager very very few of those who howled Allardyce down for N'Zonzi passing back when we were 3-1 up against relegation rivals Wolves in the last 5 minutes still have Season tickets or are even thinking about going back to Ewood once the lockdown ends. They've gone and if it weren't for the fact that we aren't able to replace their money good bloody riddance!