Fukin idiots !!!!
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Preston v Rovers: 24th November 2018
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The morning after and I'm still pissed off. I thought at first that it was an over reaction when I said that this team isn't as good as we thought they were but in the cold light of day, when I look back at the home matches I have been to (all of them) and remember the number of times we have been totally outplayed by a lot of teams for long periods, maybe it was NOT an over reaction.
Several times I've though we have been lucky to score a goal from nowhere to salvage a few points usually by somebody doing something individually. If I look at the team critically both full backs are pretty poor, Lenihan is inconsistant and Mulgrew is not a strong enough captain to organise the defence. The midfielders. Reed excepted, have no creative ideas between them. It's no good making a tackle if you have no idea what to do with the ball when you get it. Armstrong is fine when he is quicker than the right back but lost if not, We have to realise soon that Graham is getting past it and more often than not loses long balls to the big defenders but we have nobody good enough to play a passing game We need a replacement and Dack can't do it on his own and disappears when he is double marked. There should be a spare man but there never seems to be.
We also appear to have chucked £7 mill away on Brereton.
Please somebody tell me I'm just depressed with yesterday and the team is better than I think but I don't think so. I think I've been fooling myself up to now and we are where we are more by luck than skill.
What the hell was the manager thinking with that team he put out yesterday?
Several times I've though we have been lucky to score a goal from nowhere to salvage a few points usually by somebody doing something individually. If I look at the team critically both full backs are pretty poor, Lenihan is inconsistant and Mulgrew is not a strong enough captain to organise the defence. The midfielders. Reed excepted, have no creative ideas between them. It's no good making a tackle if you have no idea what to do with the ball when you get it. Armstrong is fine when he is quicker than the right back but lost if not, We have to realise soon that Graham is getting past it and more often than not loses long balls to the big defenders but we have nobody good enough to play a passing game We need a replacement and Dack can't do it on his own and disappears when he is double marked. There should be a spare man but there never seems to be.
We also appear to have chucked £7 mill away on Brereton.
Please somebody tell me I'm just depressed with yesterday and the team is better than I think but I don't think so. I think I've been fooling myself up to now and we are where we are more by luck than skill.
What the hell was the manager thinking with that team he put out yesterday?
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ABBEY
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Re . Midfield ...yesterday wasnt down to lack of creativity , it was down to midfield not helping the defence . We created enough chances , the problem was that there was no bloody striker.
Re. 7m wasted. ..Now this really winds me up , the young kid has NOT started a bloody game in his position. He has NOT come on sub in any game and played up the middle. This is why you cant say we wasted money on him , its beyond belief he didnt start yesterday. Im convinced theres a clause in the loan where he cant start until we buy him.
Re. 7m wasted. ..Now this really winds me up , the young kid has NOT started a bloody game in his position. He has NOT come on sub in any game and played up the middle. This is why you cant say we wasted money on him , its beyond belief he didnt start yesterday. Im convinced theres a clause in the loan where he cant start until we buy him.
New avatar next week then eh waggy?...... or is the current one your daughter?
Say what you like Abbey but Brereton's not set the world on fire has he? He is improving I'll give you that BUT he simply doesn't have a 7m 1st touch and that is a biggie for a professional footballer at this level.
As far as midfield helping the defence did you see the 4th goal? 4 rovers players surrounding 2 North Enders and they still scored. Absolutely bloody shocking defending .. at any level! 3rd goal no better as the pne players were massively outnumbered by our lot in the box. The players were there nut our organisation was pathetic. A lot of problems came from both full backs with Williams in particular having a mare.
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Somebody nip round and drag Alan's head out of the gas oven.
Nothing wrong with the team Al. This Div as I've pointed out many times is fantastic. It's dog eat dog proper and any team that is not MENTALLY prepared from the first whistle is likely to lose. That is my main gripe, we self motivate when we are perceived underdogs (as do most teams) but somehow we can't get the players 'up for it' against what we deem to be weaker opposition. However I do rem more matches that we could have lost than matches which we should have won.
Certainly the first half dozen had an element of promoted club bounce after which there is usually a dip and the acid test is how that dip is dealt with.
I wasn't talking about yesterday specifically. I was talking about the whole season but I'm not getting into a discussion with you Abbey as they tend to escalate. Let's just agree to have our own thoughts on the matter although I do agree that if Graham wasn't available then Brereton should have been up front. This manager, who has generally done pretty well, baffles me at times.
steve w
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You are depressed Al
I think we are doing ok
This team is not far removed from the team that went down from the championship, the only difference being TM has created a "proper team" that pull together and graft their balls off for each other. That work ethic is the reason we steamrollered a lower division (the difference between Prem and Championship is as great as between Championship and league 1 IMO)
I felt we were always going to struggle this season, but to be fair, we have made a brilliant start and shown we can mix it with the rest.
Raya has saved us quite a few points, and to me is probably why we are mid table and not a little lower mixing with the Prestons and Rotherham's. I have never felt like we are relegation fodder, but even the teams I saw as certainties, Bolton, Hull and QPR!!! have continued to pick up regular points which is going to keep every team on its toes right through to the last day
As you say, teams have worked us out now , so its going to be harder to free up Dack, and I think TMs tinkering is an attempt to free up Palmer or Armstrong perhaps,(to do the "Dack" things) but if they are just out of form, or not clever enough, or just plain not good enough is becoming apparent, I suspect its the third option with Armstrong and the second option with Palmer
TM seems to get berated for sticking with Smallwood and Evans, and I'm like everyone else, I want to see more flair and invention, but truth be told, this team, at this time, works better with those two "keeping us in it" until the gaps start to appear for Dack, Palmer, Graham et al to exploit
I completely agree with Abbey with regards to Brereton, He needs to be given a chance and in his correct position, he hasn't done much wrong in my eyes.
Its a little early for a half term report , but I hope we finish up where we are now (or better of course) and to me that would be a great season. I want to get greedy and bay for play offs but I don't think that's realistic and my prediction is 14th
I think we are doing ok
This team is not far removed from the team that went down from the championship, the only difference being TM has created a "proper team" that pull together and graft their balls off for each other. That work ethic is the reason we steamrollered a lower division (the difference between Prem and Championship is as great as between Championship and league 1 IMO)
I felt we were always going to struggle this season, but to be fair, we have made a brilliant start and shown we can mix it with the rest.
Raya has saved us quite a few points, and to me is probably why we are mid table and not a little lower mixing with the Prestons and Rotherham's. I have never felt like we are relegation fodder, but even the teams I saw as certainties, Bolton, Hull and QPR!!! have continued to pick up regular points which is going to keep every team on its toes right through to the last day
As you say, teams have worked us out now , so its going to be harder to free up Dack, and I think TMs tinkering is an attempt to free up Palmer or Armstrong perhaps,(to do the "Dack" things) but if they are just out of form, or not clever enough, or just plain not good enough is becoming apparent, I suspect its the third option with Armstrong and the second option with Palmer
TM seems to get berated for sticking with Smallwood and Evans, and I'm like everyone else, I want to see more flair and invention, but truth be told, this team, at this time, works better with those two "keeping us in it" until the gaps start to appear for Dack, Palmer, Graham et al to exploit
I completely agree with Abbey with regards to Brereton, He needs to be given a chance and in his correct position, he hasn't done much wrong in my eyes.
Its a little early for a half term report , but I hope we finish up where we are now (or better of course) and to me that would be a great season. I want to get greedy and bay for play offs but I don't think that's realistic and my prediction is 14th
OK some of that may be a reaction to yesterday but is anything I said not reasonably close to fact?
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ABBEY
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He hasnt been given a chance . He took his goal albeit robbed by the ref well .
2nd half naymbe was quality on/ off the ball
Brereton would've been given a chance if Mowbray thought he was worth being given a chance.
Nyambe? Check it out. https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11562352/preston-4-1-blackburn
He made one good block BUT he had significant involvement in 3 Preston goals and goodness only knows where he was for the 4th which was from his position.... granted with 4 against 2 there should have been adequate numbers back but he was nowhere in sight.
I think our anger stems from starting and finishing the match so ineptly. I could have accepted a bad start (just) although it's been my gripe with them for long enough but I cannot accept the amateurish play which led to our ultimate capitulation and humiliating defeat to our local rivals after we'd had a good middle spell and DG had dragged us back into contention at 2-1. At that point we were on the front foot and I really expected us to get at least even given the pattern of play.
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ABBEY
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So nayembe didnt run off the ball taking a defender with him or cause the full back problems ? We was at a different game because everyone where I was stood was praising his 2nd half performance.
A defenders first priority is to defend. Attacking skills are a bonus. You cannot argue with the match vid Abbey. A bit harsh but he was out of position for the first and the second was totally down to him and the other two came from where he should have been. I'll be be really really kind to Nyambe.... he WASN'T our worst full back yesterday! The entire defending was keystone cops pathetic. I'll accept the first was down to good play but we simply gave the next 3 goals to preston. I have not seen as bad defending as that in a long time. Reed, Raya and the subs excepted if you'd put all the Rovers players and the Manger in a big bag, tied it at the top, given it a shake then hit it with a big stick... whoever you hit would have deserved it!
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wow..
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never offside even if dack had touched it
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3rd offside