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[ABBEY]

Not for me we don't

 

[Drog]

It's probably equal these days to our entire annual revenue from gate receipts. Love em or hate em we'd be screwed now without them. Not a great position to be in is it?
As I keep saying the time to boycott them has passed, unfortunately back then the protesters ploughed a lonely furrow as not enough supporters could see the wood for the trees. Aggravating thing is now that many of those who criticised the protesters back then probably only turned up when Jack took over and will again be going shopping with the Missus now on Sat afternoons.

 

[ABBEY]

and the longer they stay the more the debt grows

 

[darrenrover]

and the longer they stay the more the debt grows

ABBEY, I'm sorry but your argument regarding debt is nonsense. We all know what has gone on previously and it's absolutely disgraceful. We're all mad as a wasp and that won't change.
For the debt argument, let's forget Venkys and pretend we're starting afresh with new owners.
Our costs annually are £10 million and our income is only £4 million, leaving a cash deficit of £6 million. New owners then input cash of £6 million to make good the shortfall. To account for the input this then becomes a loan to the company (club) of £6 million and increases the clubs debt accordingly.

I hate Venkys with a passion but who'd stump up the basic £6 million deficit in running costs if they fucked Off?

Forget the debt, its not worth thinking about because in a business sense the club is now only worth two and six.

 

[Drog]

ABBEY, I'm sorry but your argument regarding debt is nonsense. We all know what has gone on previously and it's absolutely disgraceful. We're all mad as a wasp and that won't change.
For the debt argument, let's forget Venkys and pretend we're starting afresh with new owners.
Our costs annually are £10 million and our income is only £4 million, leaving a cash deficit of £6 million. New owners then input cash of £6 million to make good the shortfall. To account for the input this then becomes a loan to the company (club) of £6 million and increases the clubs debt accordingly.

I hate Venkys with a passion but who'd stump up the basic £6 million deficit in running costs if they fucked Off?

Forget the debt, its not worth thinking about because in a business sense the club is now only worth two and six.

Exactly right dr... and we'd be back to being unable to pay the milkman!
Way way too late to believe that boycotting is the best way forward. I'll ask you to be honest here Abbey, you must be boycotting with an aim in mind and with hopes of an end product. So what do you hope to achieve by doing so? As far as I can see it's just not an option for anybody with the clubs future interest at heart.
Best way is to support the club financially and buy 3 dolls and some hat pins for the owners.

 

[Vinjay]

Exactly right dr... and we'd be back to being unable to pay the milkman!
Way way too late to believe that boycotting is the best way forward. I'll ask you to be honest here Abbey, you must be boycotting with an aim in mind and with hopes of an end product. So what do you hope to achieve by doing so? As far as I can see it's just not an option for anybody with the clubs future interest at heart.
Best way is to support the club financially and buy 3 dolls and some hat pins for the owners.

He won't change his mind. I think one particular game back in August proved that.

I just think people should forget the whole NAPM argument though. Its not about the money (because they aren't profiting) its about being repeatedly insulted. There's no way back for them now whatever they do money/strategically wise. Still think saving money should be an option for official boycotters at least to show some support for any new owners who are gonna have to foot the whole bill. Not that anyone is going to take on that debt (Venkys writing it off still a HUGE what if) however rich they are unless they are completely nuts.

 

[tomphil]

They've agreed a seasons budget so they have to somehow provide funds for it, no real option apart from slash it all in half and take another relegation or leave it to go in admin with same results. Even if the budget was halved the club would still be losing millions due to previous miss management so catch 22 for them.

Second lot they've bunged in recent months so total about 11 million now which is about what was needed for another seasons trading added to the clubs own income. Take into account no players to sell for big money so cash had to come in from outside now and for all we know most of it is paying off or servicing other external debt taken so don't be expecting signings in Jan.

If I run a business I have to guarantee to pay running costs, wages and all the rest as owner to keep the business trading and that's all they are doing here fulfilling their duty as owners and keeping the job running and it's what every other club owner is obliged to do.

Also it continues to cover up their mess whilst some like to portray it as generosity instead.

 

[ABBEY]

Exactly right dr... and we'd be back to being unable to pay the milkman!
Way way too late to believe that boycotting is the best way forward. I'll ask you to be honest here Abbey, you must be boycotting with an aim in mind and with hopes of an end product. So what do you hope to achieve by doing so? As far as I can see it's just not an option for anybody with the clubs future interest at heart.
Best way is to support the club financially and buy 3 dolls and some hat pins for the owners.

Christ gord you've a bee in your bonnet over my boycott ...funny how you boycotted and didn't support the club before . We may have been able to keep some of the players if you had .
How many really how many times do I have to explain its getting stuck recordesque .
I HAVE NO END PRODUCT IN MIND JUST NOT FUNDING THE CORRUPT REGIME AND KEEPING MY SOUL CLEAR. THEY GO I RETURN SIMPLES.
...it's not rovers to me the one I love it's venky FC or venkys laundry machine .

 

[Drog]

Christ gord you've a bee in your bonnet over my boycott ...funny how you boycotted and didn't support the club before . We may have been able to keep some of the players if you had .

Hmm let me see..... £50,000,000 pa of media money plus attendance receipts plus commercial revenue and my missing ST money of short of 400 quid? Can't see Nelsen, N'Zonzi and Samba bothering too much about that one way or the other.

 

[Drog]

He won't change his mind. I think one particular game back in August proved that.

I just think people should forget the whole NAPM argument though. Its not about the money (because they aren't profiting) its about being repeatedly insulted. There's no way back for them now whatever they do money/strategically wise. Still think saving money should be an option for official boycotters at least to show some support for any new owners who are gonna have to foot the whole bill. Not that anyone is going to take on that debt (Venkys writing it off still a HUGE what if) however rich they are unless they are completely nuts.

Quick couple of questions Vinjay.... 1. What is an Official boycotter? 2. Are you putting money aside?

Oh and an open question to all. Is anybody who is staying away, boycotters or general drop offs actually doing that and to what level?

 

[ABBEY]

Why would I be putting money aside? Enough to worry about in my life financially especially after my London visits with my Mrs...post venkys or life finaincials now .
What would you do gord ? Did you send your boycotting money to Pune ?

 

[Drog]

No way. The club was awash with money back then and not down on it's uppers like it is now.

I did once suggest that ST's should be 50% more than the Premier League average in order to make up financially for our meagre attendance figures in order for us to prosper and remain in the Premier League without constantly needing Jack Walker to sub our entertainment. Would have cost BRFC fans about £800-900 each for the season. I recall it went down like a lead balloon.

 

[ABBEY]

I wouldn't pay £900 even venky free...couldn't afford it

 

[Drog]

Exactly Abbey! And your one line response validates my long held opinions.
We of all clubs supporters surely don't need reminding that football is all about money. If you were a fan of a big London club it wouldn't be an issue but since Ghandi's cheap labour force nicked the cotton industry Blackburn has become a depressed and impoverished northern town. In a nutshell the town can not fund a top team and therefore has no right to expect one. It is irrefutable that we only won the Premier League through Jack Walkers wealth plus of course some exceptionally good business decisions by the great man. He's gone sadly and we are back to where we started and unfortunately now with a truck load of debt and a status in football lower than a snake in a cart track and subject of course to much ridicule by the rest of the nation. Unless some overseas billionaire takes pity then this is the best we can hope for....... Oh Wait! We have one and it's still not enough. I know that you cannot see it but just imagine if they pulled the plug?
Seems few want to even contemplate Lancs County and tbh once Jack chose his course of action that ship sailed. The opportunity of a lifetime went in the early 90's. Sorry but I see such evolution as the only way forward for top quality football in the North West. Without such measures our future is grave.

 

[ABBEY]

I for one am not arsed about playing in the top flight . .don't get me wrong I loved it when we won things and the scum dogs can't take the memories.
I just want the wankers gone nothing else .

 

[Vinjay]

I for one am not arsed about playing in the top flight . .don't get me wrong I loved it when we won things and the scum dogs can't take the memories.
I just want the wankers gone nothing else .

OK but there has to be some hope of such reward whatever happens down the line. Otherwise what's the point? I want new owners who give their absolute best efforts and won't accept anything less. Of course some potential new owners might not be willing to do certain things financially but...

1. It will be their own decision not trustees ignoring wishes.
2. They probably won't be complete idiots.

Its exceptionally unlikely that the 1st situation will happen again (at any football club) and would be incredibly unlucky for the 2nd.

 

[Drog]

Seems there's been ructions in the Family Stand last night. For some reason adults without children were challenged at the turnstiles even though lots of parents with young children will deem 10pm too late for a kids with school the day after and sensibly leave their children at home with Mum. Quite right too imo cos that means Dad can have a couple of scoops after the match.
Anyway Jim Wilkinson has been suggesting that if BRFC don't want single adults in the family stand that a section of the JWU be made available for lone parents when the kids can't go. I can't see much of a problem with that until we can sell 31000 tickets at full price once more.

 

[Barmitzvah Boy]

I nearly choked with laughter when a gate was 10,011 was put up on the board.

1/3 full my jacksey, even if you include ST non attenders.

The gate last night was probably between 5 to 6k, maybe even less. I counted nearly as many fans in the Riverside as Rovers misses.

 

[Barmitzvah Boy]

Seems there's been ructions in the Family Stand last night. For some reason adults without children were challenged at the turnstiles even though lots of parents with young children will deem 10pm too late for a kids with school the day after and sensibly leave their children at home with Mum. Quite right too imo cos that means Dad can have a couple of scoops after the match.
Anyway Jim Wilkinson has been suggesting that if BRFC don't want single adults in the family stand that a section of the JWU be made available for lone parents when the kids can't go. I can't see much of a problem with that until we can sell 31000 tickets at full price once more.

Yes. The line of questioning went: “Why have you not brought your son / daughter / rabbit / cat / dog / pet white rat to see the wonderful Rovers? ToMo needs you. Next time do not come and there is no refund as the money has been spent on hair dye for Gladwin.”.

 

[Vinjay]

Seems there's been ructions in the Family Stand last night. For some reason adults without children were challenged at the turnstiles even though lots of parents with young children will deem 10pm too late for a kids with school the day after and sensibly leave their children at home with Mum. Quite right too imo cos that means Dad can have a couple of scoops after the match.
Anyway Jim Wilkinson has been suggesting that if BRFC don't want single adults in the family stand that a section of the JWU be made available for lone parents when the kids can't go. I can't see much of a problem with that until we can sell 31000 tickets at full price once more.

Jim Wilkinson's a miserable old git who hates kids and would drive any potential young fans away within 2 minutes of hearing him. Kinda like a far more obnoxious, abusive and extreme version of yourself Theno . As for the family stand and adults last time I sat in that section alone (when it was the BBE Upper) nobody objected. Have the exact regulations been specified? Its October so why the hell suddenly start making an issue out of this? It should be made clear at the start of the season and people sitting there should bring their kids at night. Of course its a bit hard to manage the issue with ST holders as adults could be alone due to their kid being ill or something. Really all you can probably do is manage walkups on the day/night and only sell in that section to adults who have a child with them.