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AllRoverAsia
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Im on a mobile so some of my phrasing is rushed and not well constructed.
We keep in with the Al Saud family as a trade partner and the uk has made billions out of them. Ironic when many extremists come from or are financed by SA. I worked there for years and had some of the worst hangovers of my life there.
blueandwhitehalves
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Lol bloody hell Gord, really? Every goal in football sees men jumping all over each other, hugging and occasionally kissing. Is a handshake not a public display of affection and are people not supposed to hug family members who've come to see them off at a train station or airport?Kids themselves sometimes publicly display affection to each other in a totally unabashed manner. I can't remember ever having a problem seeing it as a kid. Was certainly less intimidating than many other social norms such as some owners lackadaisical attitude to controlling their dogs, people spitting on the floor, swearing etc.
When I played a back slap was enough. Still should be too!
A handshake is a formal gesture of greeting originating I believe to prove that you aren't carrying a knife or other concealed weapon in your right hand.
A brief hug at a railway station is perfectly fine.
This
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/decorum
A handshake is a formal gesture of greeting originating I believe to prove that you aren't carrying a knife or other concealed weapon in your right hand.
A brief hug at a railway station is perfectly fine.
This
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/decorum
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one of the best nights out is along Canal St. Personally I don't care each to their own I say.
You mean gay festivals or just in general public? I agree if a couple of guys were clearly making a big show of themselves and seeking attention but the same would apply to any straight couple.
Want to touch more on my comments about mental illness yesterday. Not general depression but rather violence/sexual issues that can cause harm to others. Didn't want to come across all "do gooder" as some may call it after my comments yesterday. Thing is though its usually those media outlets that appeal to the lowest common denominator which get worked up into a frenzy. "Sick", "evil", etc those articles that tend to simplify things though certainly there's extremely intelligent people who believe very strongly in death penalties, no mercy, etc. Most people after all do find rapists/murderers repugnant and the redtops reflect this view though tend to give the impression we should be frothing at the mouth reading it. With the redtop mentality in mind its hard not to question the line between mental illness and evil/borderline.
I'm a hypocrite in the sense that I've often referred to ISIS as nutcases (rather than brainwashed though I've said that as well) even though there's thousands who truly believe in the paradise/martyr theory. Also referred to Pol Pot's rationale for the Cambodia killings as one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Also if someone attempted to kill me its very unlikely I would consider the fact they might have a mental illness that isn't their responsibility. Revenge would be very much on my mind. Certainly my view is that psychopaths (and murderers, sex abusers, etc) need to be restrained if they can't suppress hurting others. After all if there was a global virus outbreak (no not zombies lol) and it reached a crisis level people could be forced into quarantine camps against their will even though its not their fault. When it comes to the crunch people will always do whatever it takes to defend themselves. In some ways you can be extremely liberal but in others completely hardline. I'm a complete mix of things in that regard which probably sums me up as a centrist. Or maybe just someone who's views are all over the place. For instance I'm opposed to the monarchy in this country and that's that. I believe terminally ill people should have the right to die if that's the path they want to take. In other instances I'm completely open minded to debate on both sides.
Maybe its better when certain things are simplified. Its just not something complicated people like me are capable of doing. On the other hand I'm pretty pragmatic about bad things that happen. For instance what happened in London recently we expected something like that. Things that don't directly effect me don't have that much impact on me emotionally. That sounds terrible but its better than all the "sorry for your loss" PC insincerity. I thought the #prayforlondon stuff was over the top to the point of being jingoistic. Sorry if it comes across stone cold heartless but its not like a nuclear bomb was dropped on the city. When I saw terror attack on Westminster trending on twitter my immediate thought was that the houses of parliament may have been bombed. I cared enough to look and find out what had happened so forgive me if I didn't hold a candlelit vigil or minutes silence. Simply went on with my business as normal after seeing it was hardly on a 9/11 scale. I don't think ISIS are ever going to establish a caliphate in the UK so their impact on me is likely to remain minimal. The chances of being caught up in a terrorist attack after all are very remote.
Anyway that's my philosophical sermon over for the day lol.
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Stop holding back Vinjay just get it off your chest!
Also I believe the UK security forces have been on Red Alert for quite some time which I feel is self defeating. No one can stay concentrated and extra vigilent on a permanent basis.
No disrespect to the dead and grieving but I personally believe London was a let off! His 'mates' amongst the Islamic nutter brigade will prob believe that he (the terrorist) died cheaply. A Nice / Paris type atrocity could easily be carried out.
Also I believe the UK security forces have been on Red Alert for quite some time which I feel is self defeating. No one can stay concentrated and extra vigilent on a permanent basis.
Strangely enough "gay" festivals don't bother me. I can choose whether to watch them or not. It's males making a show in public that I don't like but having said that I'm not too keen on straights doing it either.
blueandwhitehalves
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39540340
Stop the War protesters shouting down a Syrian refugee at a protest about...yep, Syria. Detestable bunch aren't they, somehow think Trump is more worthy of their ire that Assad. And, of course, will have nothing whatsoever to say about the latest barbarism against Egypt's Coptic Christians.
Stop the War protesters shouting down a Syrian refugee at a protest about...yep, Syria. Detestable bunch aren't they, somehow think Trump is more worthy of their ire that Assad. And, of course, will have nothing whatsoever to say about the latest barbarism against Egypt's Coptic Christians.
yoda
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/79...ice-told-no-uniform-travel-london-westminster
What has this country become when the Police are not safe to wear the iniform
What has this country become when the Police are not safe to wear the iniform
blueandwhitehalves
Senior Member
Astonishing stuff. I do worry that stuff like that signals the beginning of the end, even if the journey to the end may take a good while.
The organisation tasked with enforcing law and order in the capital of a country deems it necessary to tell it's enforcers to travel in disguise. It's the type of thing you usually read about happening in some struggling third-world country and think those poor citizens.
Try finding it on the BBC website though eh. They're busy wildly cheering some woman for defending someone's right to apparently interrupt a minute's silence for the Stockholm victims. But said woman is a hero because it was the EDL holding the minute's silence.
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blueandwhitehalves
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'Possible domestic violence matter', presumably involving an adult who worked at the school. There's some seriously messed up people aren't there, surely even violent scumbags can appreciate the terror they're going to inflict by choosing to enact their revenge in a primary school classroom. If its domestic violence, the killer presumably spent hours a day at home with their victim!
Anyway, totally agree on the gun thing but I do think it needs to be done as a total mass disarming involving a huge, huge investment in police time to make sure they also get them off as many gangs and criminals as possible. I can appreciate American citizens being afraid when there's such an enormous cache of weapons currently out of police control and they're being asked to relinquish theirs.
Anyway, totally agree on the gun thing but I do think it needs to be done as a total mass disarming involving a huge, huge investment in police time to make sure they also get them off as many gangs and criminals as possible. I can appreciate American citizens being afraid when there's such an enormous cache of weapons currently out of police control and they're being asked to relinquish theirs.
Do you have one? I've heard its difficult and became even more restrictive after the 1996 Dunblane school shootings.
People like that will usually find a way legal or not. Maybe obtain a gun illegally if they are determined enough. One of the bereaved Dunblane parents responded to something about trucks being used asking when has anyone ever done that? That was before the instances over past couple of years of course.
Never gonna solve all gun crime after 1996. The government had to be seen to be doing something of course so banned handguns. Can't legislate for someone like the guy in the Lake District snapping out of the blue like that either.
As for the US that's an issue for their citizens to debate. Unfortunately I'm not one of them.
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Not a firearm no, but I have provided references for some people to own one.
As for Dunblane ... I was on the A59 at Langho when I heard that on the news. My kids were the same age and I actually stopped the car to listen. I was horrified and turned the car straight round and completely illogically drove 7 miles to the children's primary school to make sure the school was safe.
Handguns banned to please the public but tbh they should have banned weird sicko's, care in the community etc. Hamilton could have done just as much damage with a machete / axe and a knife once he'd locked himself into that classroom couldn't he? Truth is that Hamilton and that chap on London Bridge and the truck driver in Sweden were all known to the police and authorities weren't they?
As for Dunblane ... I was on the A59 at Langho when I heard that on the news. My kids were the same age and I actually stopped the car to listen. I was horrified and turned the car straight round and completely illogically drove 7 miles to the children's primary school to make sure the school was safe.
Handguns banned to please the public but tbh they should have banned weird sicko's, care in the community etc. Hamilton could have done just as much damage with a machete / axe and a knife once he'd locked himself into that classroom couldn't he? Truth is that Hamilton and that chap on London Bridge and the truck driver in Sweden were all known to the police and authorities weren't they?
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People have illogical thoughts. One of the bereaved parents promised his wife (who died a few years prior) that he would keep their daughter safe. Pointed out he knew it wasn't his fault but still had an illogical guilt about it.
I was in Primary School at the time (a few years older than the murdered kids) and remember the doors getting more secure locks. Intercom at the front entrance probably went up then as well. Also noted the school has become more secure with fencing, etc since I left which no doubt is the case for many schools. Didn't feel afraid as I knew what happened wasn't normal. Knew those locks wouldn't make a bit of difference though. Still had to leave at hometime after all.
Quite sure it will happen again whether terrorist related or not. Surprised there haven't been more mass shootings actually. Dunblane, Hungerford, Lake District... hardly inner city areas. Maybe if you walk round such places (and note who isn't an undercover cop) its not difficult to get one. Most criminals are gonna use them on each other (or in robberies, etc) not to gun down a bunch of random people for no reason. I think the gun laws in this country are solid enough.