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Benjamin Kaynine

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Drog said:
And you are arguing against yourself in that case Al. If nuclear energy is the future then that would have seen coal and the miners off anyway. Maybe the record of Labour closing more pits than Thatcher is testament to that.
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Not true.

43 per cent of mining jobs went in the 1960s under Wilson while 80 per cent were lost under Thatcher.

Former NUM official Ken Capstick said recently:

“Miners had always known that eventually any of the colleries would close and were always prepared to accept that as a fact of life and find employment somewhere else within the industry, but Thatcher’s attack was wholesale.

"It was seen for what it was, nothing to do with economics, but purely an attempt to destroy the National Union of Mineworkers by wiping out the entire industry.’

Thatcher - the Enemy Within.
 
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Vinjay

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Fairly recently I remember mentioning the issue of self defence against burglars, etc. That's likely to be a debate in the upcoming days. This latest story reflects the whole Martin case years back. He had some negative press for his political views. Even his best friend said he was weird. Generally though people agreed that he was justified in defending himself. Of course the self defence was with a gun in that case so which came into the debate as well.

From what I've read the man arrested for killing this burglar has been described as a harmless pensioner who cares for his sick wife, etc. Therefore if there's a case that should really push public sympathy through the roof on this issue (burglary not being that uncommon though its never happened to me) this could be it. I'm not saying its good if all burglars are killed (they aren't all evil or incapable of redemption) but tough luck for those who are. Especially ones who are armed as the guy killed was.
 
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Drog

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here it is vinjay. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5918750/hither-green-burglar-murder-stabbing-osborn-brooks-latest/




Open and shut case I hope when one considers the alternatives.......
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/pensioner-78-raped-home-21-1214982
Like Tony Martin it's a shame he didn't manage to butcher the pair of them and tip them in the Thames. If they'd got away with it they'd be robbing someone else tonight and carry on to infinity. All vermin need their numbers controlling. Never mind being put on bail, he should be given a medal.
 
Drog

Drog

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Benjamin Kaynine said:
Not true.
43 per cent of mining jobs went in the 1960s under Wilson while 80 per cent were lost under Thatcher.
"It was seen for what it was, nothing to do with economics, but purely an attempt to destroy the National Union of Mineworkers by wiping out the entire industry.’
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Might be wise for people (including a couple of Admin) to check a. the accuracy and b. the spin that you put on your figures. For a start basic math tells me that 80% could only ever be 80% of the remaining 67% couldn't it? Truth is that the strike was ILLEGAL so what should any responsible govt do? Let me help you and edit your recollection of events... "It was seen for what it was, nothing to do with economics, but purely an attempt to destroy the democratically elected government of the UK by members of the British Communist Party." There that's more accurate. As I would wager so is this graph showing the decline in miners jobs over the years from the peak during WW1. Safe to say that the Wilson govt far exceeded Thatchers govt in numbers of lost jobs in mining. Doesn't appear that the 13 year rule of the labour party reversed the trend despite many many promises to do so does it?
 
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yoda

yoda

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Vinjay said:
Aside from that minor Premier Inn chain. I'm guessing you don't like budget hotels much?
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They all have their place, my point is a town the size of Blackburn should be able to support a "proper" hotel as apposed to the current budget hotel and others. For example a Taj Hotel/Taj Residency should do very well or maybe Mercure Hotel
 
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Vinjay

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yoda said:
They all have their place, my point is a town the size of Blackburn should be able to support a "proper" hotel as apposed to the current budget hotel and others. For example a Taj Hotel/Taj Residency should do very well or maybe Mercure Hotel
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The Dunkenhalgh is owned by Mercure. Not in the town centre of course (or even Blackburn really despite the branding) but I'm guessing they are quite happy with that without building/converting town centre properties. Probably a more popular location for things like wedding receptions as well being a manor building and all. Northchoke of course have a manor building too but certainly nothing like Mercure when it comes to hotel chains. Plus opening a hotel in the town centre probably wouldn't be pretentious enough for them. Surprised they even thought a town centre cafe wouldn't dilute their "prestige". :rolleyes:

I stayed at Mercure once in Manchester (Piccadilly area) and it wasn't anything spectacular. Nor was it bad but really nothing vastly superior to IBIS or Travelodge. It was probably a bit better certainly more contemporary and modern than the Britannia (not a hotel chain with a great reputation though the Manchester hotel is listed) where the Tvs were old and they had somewhat hard mattresses. That said it wasn't anything to greatly complain about have enough issues sleeping as it is. I can't remember if I've ever stayed in a Premier Inn. I won't stay in some cheap B&B though (and certainly not public houses that accommodate) only hotels with some degree of recognition as a chain.

Should point out there's also a Britannia Sachas in Manchester as well. Referring to their other one though.
 
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Wilpshire Blue

Wilpshire Blue

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Drog said:
here it is vinjay. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5918750/hither-green-burglar-murder-stabbing-osborn-brooks-latest/




Open and shut case I hope when one considers the alternatives.......
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/pensioner-78-raped-home-21-1214982
Like Tony Martin it's a shame he didn't manage to butcher the pair of them and tip them in the Thames. If they'd got away with it they'd be robbing someone else tonight and carry on to infinity. All vermin need their numbers controlling. Never mind being put on bail, he should be given a medal.
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Common sense prevails
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43676359
 
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Vinjay

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Bloody hell didn't expect it to be resolved that quickly. Certainly not complaining though. I guess in Martin's case perhaps they thought simply threatening them with the gun would have been "reasonable force". Also they may have been attempting to flee (still can't blame him for shooting though when he had already suffered other burglaries) whereas there seems to have been more of a struggle in this instance plus no gun used. Martin was found guilty of murder though not just illegal gun possession. Speaking of Martin he spoke out to defend this guy hours earlier and said he should be freed. So at least he's not saying because he was unjustly jailed (at least for the murder sentencing part) that this guy should have been too.
 
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yoda

yoda

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Vinjay said:
The Dunkenhalgh is owned by Mercure. Not in the town centre of course (or even Blackburn really despite the branding) but I'm guessing they are quite happy with that without building/converting town centre properties. Probably a more popular location for things like wedding receptions as well being a manor building and all. Northchoke of course have a manor building too but certainly nothing like Mercure when it comes to hotel chains. Plus opening a hotel in the town centre probably wouldn't be pretentious enough for them. Surprised they even thought a town centre cafe wouldn't dilute their "prestige". :rolleyes:

I stayed at Mercure once in Manchester (Piccadilly area) and it wasn't anything spectacular. Nor was it bad but really nothing vastly superior to IBIS or Travelodge. It was probably a bit better certainly more contemporary and modern than the Britannia (not a hotel chain with a great reputation though the Manchester hotel is listed) where the Tvs were old and they had somewhat hard mattresses. That said it wasn't anything to greatly complain about have enough issues sleeping as it is. I can't remember if I've ever stayed in a Premier Inn. I won't stay in some cheap B&B though (and certainly not public houses that accommodate) only hotels with some degree of recognition as a chain.

Should point out there's also a Britannia Sachas in Manchester as well. Referring to their other one though.
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Taj it is then
 
Drog

Drog

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I dont believe that Blackburn is short on hotels. Let's be honest a pop of 150000 0r so in BwD isn't exactly what it says on the tin is it? Also isn't the Taj a little too 'Indian / Hindu' for the liking of our islamic population? We also have Prem Inn at J4 of the M65 and Stanley House and the Millstone within 4-5 miles of the town centre for the more discerning. With the Samlesbury Hotel dividing Blackburn and Preston.
 
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Drog

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Drog said:
Currently there has been a murder every other day in London. A quick google suggests that most of the victims are non white.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=l...AUICygC&biw=1280&bih=590#imgrc=lWyLOiUVRb1__M:
Now I haven't done any research and I risk being proven wrong as a result, but I'd suggest the murderers will mostly be of ethnic origin too. Is this perhaps down to the relaxation of stop and search tactics by the police after persistent criticism of such and continual accusations of racism by the police?
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Seems where I lead the rest will catch up eventually.........
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43678988


Lots of differing views here....
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-make-london-safer-diane-abbott-violent-crime

Also I notice the usual suspects who were previously most critical of stop and search policies and most likely to over use the pitiful and pathetic term 'Human Rights' now desperately trying to save face. A rather applicable Voltaire quotation on here post 123 http://roversfans.com/index.php?threads/comment-snippets.304/page-7#post-25818
 
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yoda

yoda

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Drog said:
I dont believe that Blackburn is short on hotels. Let's be honest a pop of 150000 0r so in BwD isn't exactly what it says on the tin is it? Also isn't the Taj a little too 'Indian / Hindu' for the liking of our islamic population? We also have Prem Inn at J4 of the M65 and Stanley House and the Millstone within 4-5 miles of the town centre for the more discerning. With the Samlesbury Hotel dividing Blackburn and Preston.
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The key word I was using was the “center” of Blackburn, which, when compared to other towns of similar sizes is remarkably short of a high quality hotel
 
Drog

Drog

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'centre'. ;)

I know that yoda but Blackburn is so small that one leaves Blackburn within 2 miles of the centre in virtually any direction.
 
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