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Drog

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The usual weak, flaccid and tbh silly argument Abbey. Your point reminds me of the infamous saying “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. (Joeseff Goebbels) As has been said on here more pits closed under Labour so whats your comment to that?

Plus how about the cotton industry? Far more pertinent to us around these parts yet that was sacrificed meekly without all this fake rending of cloth and gnashing of teeth across the nation. The farming industry employs 80% fewer workers now than 50 or 100 years ago but who cares about the effect of that demise on outlying communities? Fishing? Shipbuilding? Steel prodn? Car making? I could go on and on about changes in employment which have affected communities yet I've never heard you even mention them.
Where is your stance re: Blackburn? As I mentioned above mill after mill closed as textiles went abroad and the only legacy is a growing islamic community brought in after the industry had passed the point of no return. Not only that but big employers ROF shut in 2001. Mullards in 2009. Newmans closed putting 500 unemployed. Star paper 2009. All under New labour! Presumably because they became uncompetitive in the modern world. There are countless cases of job losses in these parts and no doubt as many under Labour as under the Tories but who across the nation was willing to take up our cudgel for time immemorial?
I will tell it to the pit villages...... just so long as you tell that to the people around here.
 
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Alan

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Not the point Thatcher bitch ruined communities and the heartless cow thrived on it.
Not only that but what does it do to the economy to pay thousands of miners on the dole and import coal from Russia/Australia. Even if the coal was more expensive to mine here than to import what does that do to the balance of payments? Gord's point about banking the coal for the future was and still is a complete red herring to suit his argument. The global warming brigade will never allow it to be burned in the future.
 

Drog

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It's an energy source and when the others have fizzled out you'll still want your lights and telly to come on at the flick of a switch Al. It's like food. No one misses it when their bellies are full.

You two need to save your sympathies for the more deserving cases who didn't contribute massively to their own downfall by pushing the suicide button so eagerly at the behest of their communist overlords.
 
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suicide ...my uncles best friend died from a heart attack from the stress of it all and a few years later his lad killed himself over it all as well.
 

Drog

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I don't want to be insensitive but people have heart attacks and commit suicide all the time for a variety of reasons.
The main issue was that they voted for and backed a man with a communist agenda whose aim was to bring down our democratic form of govt and who we now all know didn't care a fig for the welfare of the NUM members. The miners back then were just the political pawns of Scargill and the British communist party.
 

Drog

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Currently there has been a murder every other day in London. A quick google suggests that most of the victims are non white.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=l...AUICygC&biw=1280&bih=590#imgrc=lWyLOiUVRb1__M:
Now I haven't done any research and I risk being proven wrong as a result, but I'd suggest the murderers will mostly be of ethnic origin too. Is this perhaps down to the relaxation of stop and search tactics by the police after persistent criticism of such and continual accusations of racism by the police?
 

Steve Moss

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Currently there has been a murder every other day in London. A quick google suggests that most of the victims are non white.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=l...AUICygC&biw=1280&bih=590#imgrc=lWyLOiUVRb1__M:
Now I haven't done any research and I risk being proven wrong as a result, but I'd suggest the murderers will mostly be of ethnic origin too. Is this perhaps down to the relaxation of stop and search tactics by the police after persistent criticism of such and continual accusations of racism by the police?
In my opinion it’s the same problem we have here in the USA and arises from one or more of:

1. A failure to insist on cultural assimilation.
2. Politically correct (fearful) policing and social services.
3. Broken/fatherless homes.
 
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Drog

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I'd go with that except broken homes happen across the board.
Perhaps the authors of 'Freakonomics' touched on this with their claim that legalising abortion in the mid 70's led to less youth crime in the 90's
. However over here that isn't the case. Of far greater influence here imo is state subsidies actually promoting giving birth to multiple children as a viable career opportunity for young girls of poorer background with lesser potential / opportunity / ambition (delete as appropriate).

Lighter note.....What is a fairly recent phenomenon is the appearance of double-barrelled surnames within some black communities (London in the main?) suggesting there is no marriage in the first place so in many cases no homes as such to break. Makes me wonder what will happen should Shaun Wright-Phillips marry Alex Oxelade-Chamberlains sister. Obviously passports and birth certificates will have to increase in size but how will the producers of replica football shirts cope?:confused:
 
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Steve Moss

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Lighter note.....What is a fairly recent phenomenon is the appearance of double-barrelled surnames within some black communities (London in the main?) suggesting there is no marriage in the first place so in many cases no homes as such to break. Makes me wonder what will happen should Shaun Wright-Phillips marry Alex Oxelade-Chamberlains sister. Obviously passports and birth certificates will have to increase in size but how will the producers of replica football shirts cope?:confused:
You are correct. I changed my post to fatherless homes. Some young men can grow feral if there is not a father to restrain or guide them as children.
 

Alan

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It's an energy source and when the others have fizzled out you'll still want your lights and telly to come on at the flick of a switch Al. It's like food. No one misses it when their bellies are full.

You two need to save your sympathies for the more deserving cases who didn't contribute massively to their own downfall by pushing the suicide button so eagerly at the behest of their communist overlords.
Nuclear energy aint going to run out Gord. You are grasping at straws now.
 

Drog

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Nuclear energy aint going to run out Gord. You are grasping at straws now.
And you are arguing against yourself in that case Al. If nuclear energy is the future then that would have seen coal and the miners off anyway. Maybe the record of Labour closing more pits than Thatcher is testament to that.
 

Alan

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And you are arguing against yourself in that case Al. If nuclear energy is the future then that would have seen coal and the miners off anyway. Maybe the record of Labour closing more pits than Thatcher is testament to that.
No you are doing that. We could have been using that coal for years and mining would gradually be fading slowly and naturally and new industries would be taking it's place, slowly and naturally, and half the country not suddenly be out of work, the Northern half. It affected us all, me included. I'm not arguing about a party, just one unfeeling bitch.
 

Drog

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Golliwogs? How stupid some people are. They were never caricatures of people to me as a kid. In fact I had one. Similar fantasy beings as gnomes, fairies and pixies.
 

Drog

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I never got a badge but kidz at r'skoo were full of them.
 
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