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[Alan]

This makes a nonsense of the opposition and in particular Labour’s opposition to shale gas . We have a potential home grown energy source , with some reports stating we have 50 years of supply in the ground . Yet we’ve imported shale gas from the US and heavily rely on gas from Europe.

We had the potential for home grown energy from coal until Thatcher ruined it for a personal vendetta.

 

[Drog]

Everyone wants the lights, cooker and telly to turn on when they want but they don't want to countenance any disruption in their lives. So (given that tidal power is in it's infancy, if feasible that is) hands up all you nimbys.....
Who doesn't want fracking 5 miles down the road?
Who doesn't want slag heaps, smog and poisonous noxious fumes?
Who doesn't want to view wind turbines blotting the countryside?

I guess a nuclear power station just down the road is the only option then.

 

[Drog]

Thatcher ruined coal and as for fracking that is a disgusting phenomenon... poisoning the water tables and putting lives at risk with poisoning of tap water and taps setting on fire .

We had the potential for home grown energy from coal until Thatcher ruined it for a personal vendetta.

Personal vendetta Al??? Absolute rubbish. That was a fight against the communist agenda of the unions who wanted to bring this country to it's knees and become another Soviet satellite as I'm sure you are aware. The unions had brought about the defeat of 2 democratically elected governments in the 70's so how long would you two have wanted that to continue? Life without General elections and queues for food might have some benefits but I doubt you'd agree with any of them.
If I had a gripe from back then it would be the way that we frittered away the oil revenue! Only a sparse population but Norway's example being perhaps the one we should have emulated. That's another debate though.

Anyway Al... St Margaret didn't stop coal fired electricity generation at all. In fact as recently as 2012 40% of Britains electricity requirements were from coal fired power stations. The demise of those whether right or wrong and whether you agree or not has more to do with eu directives and climate change agreements.
Oh and btw coal is only burned once...... and most of ours is still where we left it.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

We had the potential for home grown energy from coal until Thatcher ruined it for a personal vendetta.

It sounds like you have a personal vendetta against Mrs Thatcher Al .

As a Lancastrian you should be directing your ire towards the likes of Barbara Castle who was complicit in the closure of many cotton mills in East Lancashire towns . She pretended she had Blackburn working peoples interests at heart but that was all it was, a pretence . Lots of East Lancashire families were affected by the loss of cotton jobs in the 50s, 60s and 70s . That was our industry.

Everyone wears clothes , we had the home grown skills , mills & machinery in our little East Lancs towns & villages, but the mills were allowed to close and all we got were cheap clothes .

Mrs Thatcher saved this country from the communists and the Soviet influence that would have followed . Thankfully Maggie gave us more than cheap clothes , she gave us freedom and democracy that the likes of Scargill and the union barons despised so much .

 

[yoda]

Now it's Corbyn, McDonald and the Abbotcus versus May

 

[Steve Moss]

Now it's Corbyn, McDonald and the Abbotcus versus May

I dislike May but with opposition like that, long may she remain PM.

 

[Alan]

Personal vendetta Al??? Absolute rubbish. That was a fight against the communist agenda of the unions who wanted to bring this country to it's knees and become another Soviet satellite as I'm sure you are aware. The unions had brought about the defeat of 2 democratically elected governments in the 70's so how long would you two have wanted that to continue? Life without General elections and queues for food might have some benefits but I doubt you'd agree with any of them.
If I had a gripe from back then it would be the way that we frittered away the oil revenue! Only a sparse population but Norway's example being perhaps the one we should have emulated. That's another debate though.

Anyway Al... St Margaret didn't stop coal fired electricity generation at all. In fact as recently as 2012 40% of Britains electricity requirements were from coal fired power stations. The demise of those whether right or wrong and whether you agree or not has more to do with eu directives and climate change agreements.
Oh and btw coal is only burned once...... and most of ours is still where we left it.

It was a personal vendetta against the Miners Unions and that coal as I have pointed out before will never be burned. Since the bitch closed all the pits it would probably be uneconomical to open them up again. We've been over all this before and I won't be going over it again. That coal will never be mined and she has thrown away a vital source of wealth

 

[Drog]

1. It was a personal vendetta against an undemocratic organisation led by leaders determined to lay waste to our democratically elected government and in doing so alter the political landscape of this nation. The NUM (along with the TUC) had used disruption and agitation to get rid of two governments in the 70's so someone had to draw a line in the sand for the greater good of the nation. I'm very surprised you don't remember the situation in the 70's. The miners welfare was just a sideshow to the NUM. Fact of the matter which history bears out is that Scargill started the fight in '84 ..... Thatcher ended it! And thank goodness for that.

2. 'Never be burned'? Your argument surely relies solely on the price of alternative energy sources remaining cheap along with technology NOT coming up with clean ways to burn coal efficiently.

 

[Alan]

1. It was a personal vendetta against an undemocratic organisation led by leaders determined to lay waste to our democratically elected government and in doing so alter the political landscape of this nation. The NUM (along with the TUC) had used disruption and agitation to get rid of two governments in the 70's so someone had to draw a line in the sand for the greater good of the nation. I'm very surprised you don't remember the situation in the 70's. The miners welfare was just a sideshow to the NUM. Fact of the matter which history bears out is that Scargill started the fight in '84 ..... Thatcher ended it! And thank goodness for that.

2. 'Never be burned'? Your argument surely relies solely on the price of alternative energy sources remaining cheap along with technology NOT coming up with clean ways to burn coal efficiently.

OK one last word if you insist. The time for coal has nearly gone and our source of wealth has been wasted for years due to having to import all our supplies therefore adding to the national debt. The bitch caused that for a personal vendetta. The unions could/should have been controlled without closing the pits and devastating the entire North of the country.

 

[Drog]

In a nutshell the unions picked a fight with the wrong person.

btw ... if I rem correctly imported coal was cheaper than British coal back then so the national debt might easily have been worse.

This is a good read Al. I think you'll appreciate it. https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6498/uncategorized/the-decline-of-the-uk-coal-industry/
A fair minded and accurate summary imo and it reveals that British coal mining has been in a steady decline from it's peak in 1920. The Labour govt nationalising the industry in '47 and hindering investment before changing the railways to run on oil in the railways. Plus cheaper imports, dangers to the economy with carbon based fuels, alternative energy sources inc nuclear and renewables etc etc. Also dips into the openly communist agenda of the miners union leaders too.
You might wish to take up your cudgel for the miners but agriculture and textiles are just two examples of industries which have suffered far more from the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune in the 20th century and I don't recall many miners weeping for them.

 

[ABBEY]

https://news.sky.com/story/boy-shoots-sister-in-argument-over-video-game-controller-11296605
and they still want guns.

 

[yoda]

https://news.sky.com/story/boy-shoots-sister-in-argument-over-video-game-controller-11296605
and they still want guns.

You are forgetting that if someone else with a gun had been there they could have stopped it

 

[Drog]

USA.... twinned with Liverpool. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43456095

 

[Barmitzvah Boy]

Everyone wants the lights, cooker and telly to turn on when they want but they don't want to countenance any disruption in their lives. So (given that tidal power is in it's infancy, if feasible that is) hands up all you nimbys.....
Who doesn't want fracking 5 miles down the road?
Who doesn't want slag heaps, smog and poisonous noxious fumes?
Who doesn't want to view wind turbines blotting the countryside?

I guess a nuclear power station just down the road is the only option then.

Of course nuclear is the answer. Nuclear power stations are the safest sites I have ever visited (I have been to every UK nuclear site numerous times as well as many in the USA, Germany, Finland and France). I used to work in the coal industry and they are filthy unsafe holes. My father-in-Law lost a leg underground and 3,000 Chinese die every year in the coal industry.

The future is SMR’s - small modular reactors. The first will be at Trawsfynydd and the long term plan is one for every large town and city.

As for the NUM I can tell you Scargill was an egotistical bully, and yes I have met him.

 

[Drog]

I don't doubt it BB but just like the others no one will want one just down the road will they?

Trawsfynydd eh? Middle of Snowdonia. Given that the electricity which goes into a cable at one end is more than the electricity that comes out at the other wouldn't these small modular reactors not be better situated in the centre's of our major cities?

 

[Barmitzvah Boy]

I don't doubt it BB but just like the others no one will want one just down the road will they?

Trawsfynydd eh? Middle of Snowdonia. Given that the electricity which goes into a cable at one end is more than the electricity that comes out at the other wouldn't these small modular reactors not be better situated in the centre's of our major cities?

The first one in the UK has to be built somewhere and Traws is an existing site and the electricity grid cables have already been upgraded.

The Welsh Assembly (Labour) were anti nuclear new build but after much lobbying by me and others they changed (given the local construction employment opportunities and long term operational jobs that would have a positive impact on the economy) to new built could take place on existing nuclear sites at Traws and Wylfa. I doubt if Comrade Corbyn is pleased .

As for fracking I am a big fan .

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43482886

Unusual for the BBC not to mention Brexit in one of these articles . Enjoyed the first comment on the HYS . I guess that could have been addressed to the Momentum Labour Party and the Remoaners as well.

" Dear BBC

Please accept our heart felt condolences at what must be a very upsetting time for you; what with falling inflation, falling unemployment and rising wages. We all realise that things are just not going your way at the moment.

Regards

The BBC License payers of this country "

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

A recent report produced by two snowflake academics ( Leeds Beckett “Uni” and some “ Uni” in Oslo ) . Bargain price to produce . Just under £10,000 of your hard earned tax pounds

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/5842488/snowflake-study-pe-racism-claim/amp/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.da...two-academics-UKs-whitewashed-curriculum.html

Middle class liberal / leftie white people can be so patronising.

 

[Drog]

Cupid stunts!

Not all that many women understand the context of sport though do they? It's tribal and a form of peacetime conflict. Just a by-product of carrying our bollocks around with us.