The real Brexit thread

[Drog]

Is that the place overseen by the thought police?

 

[yoda]

That's the one, opposing views will not be tolerated, no discussion period, ha ha

 

[yoda]

What part of NO does the self anointed Queen of Scotland not understand ?

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

I'm sick of hearing about her personally. I find her tactics to be like nails on a blackboard:

1. Triumphantly announce in a smarmy, mealy-mouthed fashion something she very clearly doesn't have jurisdiction over .
2. If ignored, no further action until next announcement. If any kind of encouragement, waste Westminster's time with it.
3. In the second case, react to the inevitable rejection with an endless cacophony of outrage.
4. Rinse and repeat.

It's a shame we don't have Queeny in Blackadder season 2 answering the demands. "It's up to you. Either you can shut up, or you can have your head cut off."

 

[Drog]

Any referendum would be pathetic. After centuries the ink still isn't dry on the last result and so every time something doesn't quite suit the SNP will be at it again calling for ever more referendums. A quick scan in any telephone directory under Mc will reveal how much this country has welcomed and supported the Scots and bring into focus the ingratitude of the SNP. Precisely the same rule can be applied to the Irish and Welsh for that matter. Never much large scale migration in the other direction is there?
However should they get their wish and should any vote be a victory for leaving the union then this country would be best served with a Trump style wall between here and Scotland to safeguard our borders from cross border trading plus a lower tax code for any scottish nationals earning a living down here. An extra 5% on their tax might make them think twice before they register their inbred discontent. Harsh maybe but surely fair on the rest of the Union.

 

[yoda]

They will have to pay ￡50 billion to leave, EU rules.

Make that ￡50 billion for every 40 years they have been sponging off the rest of the UK

 

[davebirch]

After posting on the darkside thread, I'm awaiting some comeback, good or bad.....
But people should get used to the fact that things are changing, and no amount of whinging will change things. So make the best of the situation.

 

[Drog]

As I've said Dave the desperate choice between staying on the Titanic or jumping onto the iceberg was a no brainer within a few short hours wasn't it?

 

[Alan]

After posting on the darkside thread, I'm awaiting some comeback, good or bad.....
But people should get used to the fact that things are changing, and no amount of whinging will change things. So make the best of the situation.

I've read your post Dave and nobody has challenged it yet. Could it be that the remoaners have accepted that it makes sense? I doubt it actually.

 

[yoda]

Tony who ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39321138

I reckon he is humping Gina Miller

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

There's a lot of IF the public change their opinion on those comments. I think many Remainers expected that to have happened already but it hasn't. This is the crux for me:

'He argued that if control of EU migration is the only reason for Brexit "it is possible - I don't put it higher than that - that people start to think, 'is this really the thing that is going to be important?'"'

Apostrophes went a bit crazy at the end there. Quoting an article quoting Blair quoting what he thinks the people might say In any case, how much immigration matters is directly proportional to how close you are to the sharp end of its effects. And there are far too many Jims about in UK politics, too lazy to make a real attempt to put themselves in someone else's shoes. Much easier to preach principles from an ivory tower.

 

[davebirch]

There have been a few now, Al, with the expected replies...

The pot needed stirring, it was becoming like a plate of cold porridge.

 

[yoda]

Seems to me he is putting forward the idea that the only reason was immigration, which is demeaning to the British public, there were are lots of reasons, one of the main ones being joe public was sick of politicians like him

 

[Drog]

One thing he did do was state what I have been saying and that the immigration issue has been fudged and that any resentment is not so much down to eu migrant workers as immigration from outside the eu.
Lets be honest the Poles are not determined to change our way of life and impose on us their own customs are they?

 

[yoda]

One thing he did do was state what I have been saying and that the immigration issue has been fudged and that any resentment is not so much down to eu migrant workers as immigration from outside the eu.
Lets be honest the Poles are not determined to change our way of life and impose on us their own customs are they?

Neither are the immigrants from further a field. There seems to be one predominant group that are so unhappy with the place they have left they want to replicate the misery in the west

 

[Drog]

It is weird isn't it? No matter what crap befalls them and usually it piles up on them (middle east, famine, earthquakes, disasters etc ) people from across the globe still never question why Allah punishes his followers so frequently and so hard when God's chosen peoples get off unscathed time and again.
I find it crazy that the first thing all those boat people do when they are rescued from the med by the nice (christian) sailors in the Italian navy is go down on their knees on the deck and thank Allah! Somebody needs to stick a mike under their noses and ask em why exactly..... I'd be inclined to chuck em back in.

Meanwhile one day I shall have to go down on my knees and thank both Allah and God for making me an atheist.

 

[Alan]

There have been a few now, Al, with the expected replies...

The pot needed stirring, it was becoming like a plate of cold porridge.

Of course it did Dave. With none of us posting any more they have nobody to argue with. MikeE says it's better now but how can you have a discussion if nobody states the opposite view?

 

[yoda]

I reckon a big part of the bans was that the debates were being lost on an un acceptable level for some.

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

I reckon a big part of the bans was that the debates were being lost on an un acceptable level for some.

They were practically dead and buried at one point a few months ago. Dunno about you but I started being nicer to try and encourage a few back on (didn't last long though!).

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

One thing he did do was state what I have been saying and that the immigration issue has been fudged and that any resentment is not so much down to eu migrant workers as immigration from outside the eu.
Lets be honest the Poles are not determined to change our way of life and impose on us their own customs are they?

Whilst I agree with you and Tony there Gord, my issue is that future eu migrant workers will eventually come to closely resemble non-EU migrants. The EU migrant crisis seems to have stabilised at about 1 million per year entering illegally. The vast majority of those are Muslim and we know from family sizes that this will be enough to change the demographic of Europe quite significantly in the coming decades.

The Calais camp is pretty solid evidence that many of these migrants would much rather settle in the UK (specifically England), rather than France or Germany. So in my opinion, had we stayed in, future immigration would have come to resemble across the board what non-EU immigration is now. Not only would that have accelerated the Islamification of large areas of England, it would be damaging to the economy as, contrary to traditional EU migration, non-EU migrants take more out of the economy than they put in.