yoda
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It all adds up to a rather large expenditure column, come on John, get the maths done
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It all adds up to a rather large expenditure column, come on John, get the maths done
yoda
Senior Member
You have made a gross contradiction there amo, you say the world is in the state it is because the providers are in control and then say that laymen should not have had a say in Brexit ! At least the laymen have an inkling that they have been shafted by the EU and don’t fancy being ruled by an enelected elite which resembles the workings of the 3rd Reich
yoda
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Impressive letter
Sir Bernard Ingham has written an open letter to Theresa May explaining how she can save her premiership.
An open letter to the Prime Minister by Sir Bernard Ingham,
Margaret Thatcher’s press secretary, on how Theresa May can save her premiership.
________________________________________
Dear Prime Minister,
I am writing this open letter to you on the eve of your Cabinet’s discussions on Brexit because of some notes I made as Margaret Thatcher’s press secretary in her terminal year – 1990.
I told her that her worst enemy was her Tory MPs who were not very good at politics. One whiff of electoral defeat reduces them to back-stabbing, gibbering wrecks bent on suicide. So what’s new, you may well ask?
You may also reasonably say this does not say much for your prospects since they ditched Thatcher after winning three elections. In fact, I can make a case for your fighting and winning the next election provided you get this Brexit business out of the way soon. It is so dominating and dividing politics that it is paralysing wider governance. This cannot go on.
Thatcher’s government may have ground to a halt in 1982 to fight the Falklands campaign but that crisis lasted only about 11 weeks. Brexit drags on interminably.
I think you have negotiated with Brussels in good faith and certainly made some concessions, though to little effect.
All you get is scorn from people who should know better – to wit, German Chancellor Angela Merkel – and new demands, accompanied by threats, from the unelected EU Commission and its negotiator.
You have made clear to them what you and the British people require: a return to national sovereignty next year.
They have dismally failed to make you an offer you cannot refuse. The time has thus come to cut the Gordian knot. You need to tell the Cabinet today that you intend to make a calm, serious speech that puts the EU on warning: either they negotiate constructively and in good faith or, in little over a year, we leave lock, stock, barrel and with the £39bn you have conditionally offered.
Remember, nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.
You should state that sovereignty means the right to run our own affairs without interference from Brussels or the European courts. Either they recognise that, and act accordingly, or we shall be off like a shot next spring. You might also tell these arch-protectionists that in your books free trade means just that and applies to services as well as goods. We do not intend to be discriminated against.
This will not, of course, silence the Europhiles either in the Cabinet, on your back benches or in the Civil Service, which is looking ever more compromised. But at least they will know where they stand. You have had enough of this Brexit nonsense.
Surely, your MPs are not so dense as not to know that the British public abhors divided parties. You should tell them it is time to come together and make a success of independence. You should then let loose your Brexit negotiators to reinforce the message: we are leaving and the EU had better sue for terms now or it will be too late. This would not only clarify matters in the warped minds of so many on both sides of the Channel. It would also clear the way for action on so many aspects of British life that require close attention as well as the economy.
You should therefore tell the Cabinet that you intend to appoint high-powered and manifestly independent commissions to examine how to improve the NHS and social care, education, law enforcement and national defence, reporting no later than April next year. This will have the benefit of focusing minds in government departments that are currently diverted, bemused or idle because of Brexit.
Your explicit aim should be to put your government and party in a position to fight the next election with seriously thought-through policies.
Don’t forget that the British public, even now in the depths of your travail, see you as a better Prime Minister than Jeremy Corbyn and admire your guts and determination. Your one overriding task is to ensure that Corbyn never imposes his totalitarian Marxism on the nation. I believe that if you take a firm stance on Brexit now and show yourself seriously determined to improve life in Britain and its public services you will wipe the floor with him.
So, let’s cut the cackle and get down to the real business of re-equipping an independent, sovereign Britain for a glorious future.
Privately, you might also ask your backbenchers that, if that is what they want too, they had better come on board PDQ. Otherwise, they will put their seats and Britain’s economy in peril.
Yours sincerely,
Bernard Ingham
Sir Bernard Ingham has written an open letter to Theresa May explaining how she can save her premiership.
An open letter to the Prime Minister by Sir Bernard Ingham,
Margaret Thatcher’s press secretary, on how Theresa May can save her premiership.
________________________________________
Dear Prime Minister,
I am writing this open letter to you on the eve of your Cabinet’s discussions on Brexit because of some notes I made as Margaret Thatcher’s press secretary in her terminal year – 1990.
I told her that her worst enemy was her Tory MPs who were not very good at politics. One whiff of electoral defeat reduces them to back-stabbing, gibbering wrecks bent on suicide. So what’s new, you may well ask?
You may also reasonably say this does not say much for your prospects since they ditched Thatcher after winning three elections. In fact, I can make a case for your fighting and winning the next election provided you get this Brexit business out of the way soon. It is so dominating and dividing politics that it is paralysing wider governance. This cannot go on.
Thatcher’s government may have ground to a halt in 1982 to fight the Falklands campaign but that crisis lasted only about 11 weeks. Brexit drags on interminably.
I think you have negotiated with Brussels in good faith and certainly made some concessions, though to little effect.
All you get is scorn from people who should know better – to wit, German Chancellor Angela Merkel – and new demands, accompanied by threats, from the unelected EU Commission and its negotiator.
You have made clear to them what you and the British people require: a return to national sovereignty next year.
They have dismally failed to make you an offer you cannot refuse. The time has thus come to cut the Gordian knot. You need to tell the Cabinet today that you intend to make a calm, serious speech that puts the EU on warning: either they negotiate constructively and in good faith or, in little over a year, we leave lock, stock, barrel and with the £39bn you have conditionally offered.
Remember, nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.
You should state that sovereignty means the right to run our own affairs without interference from Brussels or the European courts. Either they recognise that, and act accordingly, or we shall be off like a shot next spring. You might also tell these arch-protectionists that in your books free trade means just that and applies to services as well as goods. We do not intend to be discriminated against.
This will not, of course, silence the Europhiles either in the Cabinet, on your back benches or in the Civil Service, which is looking ever more compromised. But at least they will know where they stand. You have had enough of this Brexit nonsense.
Surely, your MPs are not so dense as not to know that the British public abhors divided parties. You should tell them it is time to come together and make a success of independence. You should then let loose your Brexit negotiators to reinforce the message: we are leaving and the EU had better sue for terms now or it will be too late. This would not only clarify matters in the warped minds of so many on both sides of the Channel. It would also clear the way for action on so many aspects of British life that require close attention as well as the economy.
You should therefore tell the Cabinet that you intend to appoint high-powered and manifestly independent commissions to examine how to improve the NHS and social care, education, law enforcement and national defence, reporting no later than April next year. This will have the benefit of focusing minds in government departments that are currently diverted, bemused or idle because of Brexit.
Your explicit aim should be to put your government and party in a position to fight the next election with seriously thought-through policies.
Don’t forget that the British public, even now in the depths of your travail, see you as a better Prime Minister than Jeremy Corbyn and admire your guts and determination. Your one overriding task is to ensure that Corbyn never imposes his totalitarian Marxism on the nation. I believe that if you take a firm stance on Brexit now and show yourself seriously determined to improve life in Britain and its public services you will wipe the floor with him.
So, let’s cut the cackle and get down to the real business of re-equipping an independent, sovereign Britain for a glorious future.
Privately, you might also ask your backbenchers that, if that is what they want too, they had better come on board PDQ. Otherwise, they will put their seats and Britain’s economy in peril.
Yours sincerely,
Bernard Ingham
Benjamin Kaynine
Senior Member
https://www.itv.com/news/2018-02-07...nd-west-midlands-to-be-hit-hardest-by-brexit/
Dear Brexiteers,
You were so easily manipulated by the far right wing media and brainwashed into voting to Leave.
You don't realise you were manipulated and used for political purposes of the elites, do you?
Now, you will have to bear the consequence of your ignorance and the sensible people who voted to Remain, will have to suffer with you.
Only the richest few will benefit from Brexit..... while your children will be poorer. They will find that nationalism is no substitute for bread.
Dear Brexiteers,
You were so easily manipulated by the far right wing media and brainwashed into voting to Leave.
You don't realise you were manipulated and used for political purposes of the elites, do you?
Now, you will have to bear the consequence of your ignorance and the sensible people who voted to Remain, will have to suffer with you.
Only the richest few will benefit from Brexit..... while your children will be poorer. They will find that nationalism is no substitute for bread.
yoda
Senior Member
You live in an alternate reality John, the elites are the Bildebergs, Barniers, Soros, Clintons, Blairs, Camerons, Osbournes, Kinnocks, NWO's of this world and guess what ? they all want the UK to stay in the EU. Not because it is better for the population at large, no it is because they want to control the masses for a purpose they have not yet revealed, or have they !
https://www.newswars.com/eu-threatens-force-against-countries-refusing-migrants
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Now I might be wrong but the person who provides most links on here to the Daily Mail is you isn't it John?
Benjamin Kaynine
Senior Member
The ITV report shows the beautiful symmetry of the Brexiteer vision; convince the most vulnerable in society to vote against their own interests, in favour of a low-tax, low-regulation economy that will benefit principally the wealthiest in society, to the detriment of social cohesion, society as a whole and the environment.
Pity the eu didn't have your foresight John. If they had they might not have invited half the muslim world in with open arms nor sent Cameron packing with a flea in his ear.
Way back in '73 I thought the best way forward was not for us to make the existing 7 into 9 but for the formation of 'Northern' Common Market consisting of the Benelux countries, the Scandanavian nations and the Germans. Any nation with a coastline on the Med to be left behind.
I feel little different today.
Way back in '73 I thought the best way forward was not for us to make the existing 7 into 9 but for the formation of 'Northern' Common Market consisting of the Benelux countries, the Scandanavian nations and the Germans. Any nation with a coastline on the Med to be left behind.
I feel little different today.
Benjamin Kaynine
Senior Member
Could there be a possible new business opportunity for the turkeys who voted for Christmas?
A motor coach company could run low price transit services from places like Blackburn and Sunderland to perhaps Poland and Slovakia where there might be factory jobs or farm work in the future.. (a bit like the poor souls from Ukraine who have to do journeys like that to make a living for their families)
Then I remembered that these turkeys will not even be allowed to do that!
A motor coach company could run low price transit services from places like Blackburn and Sunderland to perhaps Poland and Slovakia where there might be factory jobs or farm work in the future.. (a bit like the poor souls from Ukraine who have to do journeys like that to make a living for their families)
Then I remembered that these turkeys will not even be allowed to do that!
Benjamin Kaynine
Senior Member
I was interested to discover how the Daily Mail is breaking this news to its north east and Midlands readers, so I’ve just been over to their website:
Story 1: British teenager cleans home of rich immigrant - does the foreign cad have designs on her virtue?!
Story 2: ranting coverage of the Venables trial - look! A bandwagon! On it! Quickly!
Story 3: Jag causes another car to crash on the M4 - I bet it was an immigrant stealing that Jag...
Story 4: would you pay £79 for a bra? - actually, my wife manages to spend more than that on a bra...
In other words, Lord Dacre at the Battle of Trafalgar: “I see no bad news on Brexit”.
Chris
yoda
Senior Member
What language is that John ?
How can you square your left of Trotsky views with demanding that the UK becomes controlled by the Elites, Bilderbergs and NWO etc that are decamped in Brussels, it seems like you are very confused
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yoda
Senior Member
Benjamin Kaynine
Senior Member
There is a certain poetic beauty about the fact that Brexitlands will suffer more than most post March 2019 but it doesn't make one feel any better about something which is so fundamentally stupid that it boggles the mind.
At least if the Eurosceptic Conservative party fools at Westminster and the Brexiteers could make a half-decent case about the merits of Brexit, it wouldn't be so troubling.
But they are so useless that all they can say is either that this is the "will of the people" or that "all the analysis is wrong" and "deceitful" and created by those who want to "thwart the country achieving its destiny".
Meanwhile, there are people who are genuinely pinning their hopes on the least competent of them all, Liam Fox, to strike trade deals. Really?
At least if the Eurosceptic Conservative party fools at Westminster and the Brexiteers could make a half-decent case about the merits of Brexit, it wouldn't be so troubling.
But they are so useless that all they can say is either that this is the "will of the people" or that "all the analysis is wrong" and "deceitful" and created by those who want to "thwart the country achieving its destiny".
Meanwhile, there are people who are genuinely pinning their hopes on the least competent of them all, Liam Fox, to strike trade deals. Really?
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