The real Brexit thread

[Benjamin Kaynine]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46407249

And another one bites the dust

The "last straw" for Gyimah apparently was Britain's exclusion from the military side of the EU Galileo satellite programme, which we have funded and largely developed in recent years.

Mr Gyimah described that as a “clarion call”, saying that the UK’s interests would be “repeatedly and permanently hammered by the EU27 for many years to come”.

The frustrating negotiations over Galileo were only a “foretaste of what is to come”, he said. “Britain will end up worse off, transformed from rulemakers into rule takers. It is a democratic deficit and a loss of sovereignty the public will rightly never accept,” he added

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-12bn-invested-in-eu-galileo-satellite-system

In order to restore British prestige in space, I think the government should commit the country to putting a Grees-Smogg on Mars by March 29 next year.

There are, of course, potential risks associated with such an ambitious goal, but Brexit Britain has never shied away from a risk, no matter how idiotic.

And, in this case, I think that any sacrifices will be well worth it.

Chris

 

[yoda]

It just highlights why any one would want to be part of an unelected Reich trying to force it's "National" Socialist regime on reluctant countries.
The Commission and Merkel (the puppet head of the NWO) are falling over themselves trying gain some legitimacy and get recognized as a Nation state.
Never mind it's new army (you know, the one that Soros's shilling takers all denied) will be along shortly to help smooth the process.

It' a Bit whet in the Ribble Valley today John, keep dry

 

[Drog]

Said before that I'm "bregreting" and it's definitely solidified. I still have zero sympathy for upset Remainers though. They brought this on themselves by simply refusing to acknowledge decades of opposition to our open doors immigration.

For many, immigration is the handful of westernized Asians in their white town/village, or it's the true multiculturalism of a big city. Only in a geographically fairly small area, mainly the Midlands, north west, west Yorkshire, and a scattering of southern towns, is it huge minority Muslim populations hostile to western culture. Do the people who live in these areas have valid concerns? No, they're just a bunch of racists.

Brexit is the punishment to all those engaged in that lazy, dismissive silencing for decades. Reducing immigration is a view that's been itching to come out, and it finally found a way. Enjoy Jim/John/Chris and co, this is your fault for not listening when you had the chance.

The biggest mystery to me is the press / media and political conviction that the immigration that has resulted in the brexit vote concerns immigrants from Poland etc! Is it bollox! When will the bloody penny ever drop?

 

[Drog]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna940016

Chaos , upheaval and riots in France. Macron , the EU poster boy , finding his honeymoon well and truly over.

Citizens with no bread? Let zem eet cake zen.






Just my personal opinion but he's well dodgy that bugger.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

I’m convinced the EU poster boy is Ghosn’s lovechild. He's proved to be a dodgy beggar too .

 

[yoda]

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I’m convinced the EU poster boy is Ghosn’s lovechild. He's proved to be a dodgy beggar too .

They all plopped out of the same space craft

 

[Steve Moss]

The EU’s treatment of the UK demonstrates the bad faith of the EU. Why would anyone want to be in a relationship with them? Besides, it seems it’s all about Germany with a side order of French.

Make new deals. I would love to see the UK flag next to an American flag when the next moon landing occurs.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

The EU’s treatment of the UK demonstrates the bad faith of the EU. Why would anyone want to be in a relationship with them? Besides, it seems it’s all about Germany with a side order of French.

Make new deals. I would love to see the UK flag next to an American flag when the next moon landing occurs.

Britain decided to leave the club - not the other way round. The EU always held the upper hand in the negotiations, as the Gammons are now starting to realise.

The Union Jack is the British (not UK) flag.

Would be lovely to send Trump and Farage to the moon - one way only.

Chris

 

[yoda]

Britain decided to leave the club - not the other way round. The EU always held the upper hand in the negotiations, as the Gammons are now starting to realise.

The Union Jack is the British (not UK) flag.

Would be lovely to send Trump and Farage to the moon - one way only.

Chris

It's not a club you none head, it's a dictatorship, continue with the personal insults and you are off hire

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

It's not a club you none head, it's a dictatorship, continue with the personal insults and you are off hire

"Gammons" or "snowflakes" (Brexiteers' favourite term) - one rule for one, another rule for another?

And

1) how can it be a "personal insult" when Gammons (or snowflakes) is a generic term ?

2) Isn't "none head" personal too ?

3) Alan referred to me as a "pillock" further up without rebuke from senior "officers" of the board. Isn't that personal as well ?

As for the EU "dictatorship", there are 28 commissioners who make up the European Commission, the EU’s cabinet, who are nominated by member countries (each gets one) and approved by the European Parliament, which is directly elected by voters.

This is similar to the United States, where cabinet members are nominated by the president and approved by the Senate.

The European Council, which is essentially the EU’s chief executive body, comprises the 28 member countries’ leaders, all democratically elected. Its president, Donald Tusk, is elected by those leaders rather than directly by voters, but his role is more that of a mediator than a leader in his own right.

Hardly a "dictatorship".

Chris

 

[yoda]

"Gammons" or "snowflakes" (Brexiteers' favourite term) - one rule for one, another rule for another?

And

1) how can it be a "personal insult" when Gammons (or snowflakes) is a generic term ?

2) Isn't "none head" personal too ?

3) Alan referred to me as a "pillock" further up without rebuke from senior "officers" of the board. Isn't that personal as well ?

As for the EU "dictatorship", there are 28 commissioners who make up the European Commission, the EU’s cabinet, who are nominated by member countries (each gets one) and approved by the European Parliament, which is directly elected by voters.

This is similar to the United States, where cabinet members are nominated by the president and approved by the Senate.

The European Council, which is essentially the EU’s chief executive body, comprises the 28 member countries’ leaders, all democratically elected. Its president, Donald Tusk, is elected by those leaders rather than directly by voters, but his role is more that of a mediator than a leader in his own right.

Hardly a "dictatorship".

Chris

Stop waffling John

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

Britain decided to leave the club - not the other way round. The EU always held the upper hand in the negotiations, as the Gammons are now starting to realise.

The Union Jack is the British (not UK) flag

Chris

The Union flag combines aspects of three older national flags: the red cross of St George for the Kingdom of England, the white saltire of St Andrew for Scotland (which two were united in the first Union Flag), and the red saltire of St Patrick to represent Ireland.

The Union flag represents the United Kingdom , despite having no representation from Wales .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Jack

Quite amusing that a guy from the USA has a better knowledge of the United Kingdom’s flag than a hypocritical lefty from the Ribble Valley in England - although not surprising.

Oh dear , pants pulled down yet again BenJimJohn - don’t give up though , you’re comedy gold .

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46435128

Good for Bercow. One of the very few Tories with any decency and sense of fair play.

Actually, I would include Tracey Crouch who resigned over the fixed-odds Betting Terminals. Well that's 2 but I do struggle to think of a third.

 

[Drog]

Bercow the bully? Small man big desk syndrome.

It's a shame but it doesn't appear that our brand of democracy and our political system will allow us to get the best brexit deal for the nation. Hence my calls way back in June 16 for a coalition govt to be formed immediately from brexit supporting MP's to see us out of the EU in the most favourable and united fashion for the nation. Other nations the world over must be laughing at our naive and ham-fisted attempts to leave on the right terms.
I've no problem with the House being made aware of the full facts but that is where it must stop! Unfortunately even with the mikes turned off and reporting restrictions put in place we all know someone would blow the whistle. It does no good in any negotiations to put your cards on the table at every move. Imagine if the House had debated in depth where and when the DDay landings would occur! I'm pretty sure history would be very different and that we'd be discussing issues on here in German!

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

More good news as a way out of this national humliation

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46428579

Base case is now Remain. No chance whatsoever that (a) WA passes parliament or (b) that EU agrees to renegotiate the WA.

Faced with the assured chaos of a 'no deal' Brexit, parliament will vote to remain (else punt and secure a delay to allow a second referendum to be held (where the only choices will be 'no deal' or Remain). Remain will win in either case, and UK will remain with all existing opt-outs and discounts.

Withdrawal will trigger EU celebrations along the lines of VE day in 1945. Elderly cranks in the Home Counties will mutter into their beer about the 'will of the people' but no one will care.

The civilized world will breathe a sigh of relief and the likes of Farage, BoJo, Grees Smogg et al will become about as popular and visible as Kevin Spacey at the school Christmas fair.

Chris

 

[Drog]

Have you ever given any thought to the future instead of the past John?
Here's one opinion in brief. The first half of 2018 has seen the start of bilateral trade wars with the US. China initially, but also the EU and others are confronted with high import tariffs on selected goods as part of the US administration’s “America First” rhetoric. The authors discuss what it means for the EU to face a threat to a long-established alliance with the US. They argue that not only are trade wars a lose-lose game, but that the EU has no option but to retaliate against US economic aggression. The EU’s best option for damage control is to defend the international multilateral system and maintain open and free trade with the rest of the world.

The eu will be hit hard by trade tariffs and getting an increasing paggering from Trump with his 'America First' policies. Lots of tariffs blitzed when he met Juncker a couple of months back and Trump only very reluctantly agreed to leave tariffs on eu cars. I doubt that will last long. When all that kicks off we need to be well away from the sinking ship.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

The eu will be hit hard by trade tariffs and getting an increasing paggering from Trump with his 'America First' policies. Lots of tariffs blitzed when he met Juncker a couple of months back and Trump only very reluctantly agreed to leave tariffs on eu cars. I doubt that will last long. When all that kicks off we need to be well away from the sinking ship.

And how do you think the UK will fare in bilateral trade talks with "America First" Trump? At present we have a trade surplus with the US, which he will be eager to close. And the country does not want to eat their chlorinated chicken or let US healthcare providers into the NHS. The US is not, and has never been, a friend of Great Britain.

Chris

 

[Alan]

If we have to chose a friend I'd prefer the USA to Germany and France.

 

[Benjamin Kaynine]

Parliament "taking back control"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46446694

Slowly but surely, the Brexit debacle is being reversed.

The next stage should be for the perpetrators to be tried in court.

Grees-Smogg, Johnson, Farage - the faces of Russian-financed subversion of Britain's future, traitors and rogues.

Chris