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Tony Mowbray
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Paul Lambert was blamed, Coyle was blamed with some justification i grant you and now Mowbrays being blamed when we all know that selling your best players and replacing them with free transfers and other clubs cast offs is never going to end well.
We have a bunch of league 1 standard players with a couple of exceptions that blow and hot and cold and we're seeing the outcome.
Mowbray can only work with what he's got, give the man a break.
We need rid of the rats in Pune, until that day comes nothing will improve sadly.
We have a bunch of league 1 standard players with a couple of exceptions that blow and hot and cold and we're seeing the outcome.
Mowbray can only work with what he's got, give the man a break.
We need rid of the rats in Pune, until that day comes nothing will improve sadly.
Yeah he's a nice guy that's the main thing. Maybe get Hollern as his assistant.
Of course there was some justification with Coyle though instantly acting like he was 1355532 times worse than Redfearn/Slade second he was linked seemed odd. Or maybe not so odd...
Give him a break? Nobody forced him to keep Lowe on today in a completely redundant role (certainly as it progressed since team needed a goal more than a clean sheet) or play so negatively.
I don't want to hear how quiet the dressing room is. Yet he will be calling for fans to be loud next weekend won't he?
I grasp all that Gav. We all know the circumstances that our players are either past their sell by date or dreadfully unfit but to only put two game changers like Joao and Emnes on with a few minutes left when we desperately needed all 3 points was indefensible. Since Norwich I've changed my opinions of Mowbray I'm afraid. He really has made some unfathomable decisions.
btw you can substitute unfathomable with naive or inept if you like.
blueandwhitehalves
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I've changed my opinion too. I knew the slump would come based on his previous clubs but was expecting it at either the start of next season or the start of the season after. That the honeymoon period hasn't even lasted long enough to ensure survival is disappointing. This is what Venkys get for continually and unfathamably picking managers on a downward trajectory in their careers. You've no guarantee they'll even be as good as the last club they failed at.
OnlyOneTugay
Prediction Champion 2019 & 2020
Its flipping simple - if you want to stay in the Premier League you get Big Sam , if you want to stay in the Championship you get Neil Warnock - but remember , you won't get tikki takki football ( thank the Lord ! ) If you want to get out of the 1st Division you get ............................
Answers on a postcard please -
Answers on a postcard please -
yoda
Senior Member
Which direction do you mean, up or down ?
AllRoverAsia
Senior Member
There are 4 relegation spots to aim for in L1 so its a pretty easy job for anyone.
Seriously if we go down I fear that we will go straight through its trapdoot.
Relegation and cost cutting will cull the squad plus all the loans will go and anyone of value sold. If sales happen slowly then we will be threadbare. They will not invest until sales monies are in.
We are Orient we just haven't got there yet.
blueandwhitehalves
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There's plenty. Abandon reputation, abandon attractive football, abandon looking good, abandon trying to impress anyone, abandon tribal loyalty, abandon interview style, abandon touchline appearance.
If Venkys want to get promoted from League 1 without spending a penny, please, for once, hire an unfashionable, effective option like:
1. Steve Cotterill
2. Kenny Jackett
3. Darren Ferguson
4. Graham Alexander
5. Phil Brown
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Bobthesock
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Darren ferguson or phil brown? Are you on meth?
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ABBEY
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or another ex dingle ...ewwwww
blueandwhitehalves
Senior Member
Ferguson has promoted Peterborough 3 times and is currently top of League 2 with Doncaster.
Brown has promoted Hull, Southend and currently has them just outside the play-offs in League 1.
We need to get away from the idea that we're Blackburn Rovers, former premier league champions. Who need to hire previous top flight managers, even if that top flight season was ages ago and they've been rubbish ever since. Coyle and Mowbray were poor appointments from the outset and we've got exactly what I expected with both.
We're now Blackburn Rovers, likely soon to be skint League 1 selling club, based in a small town with crowds under 10,000. What we need is managers used to working with those types of clubs, with no funds who are achieving success in the here and now. We just need to get over ourselves and not think they're below us because they're considered small time or unfashionable.
No way in hell would I endorse Ferguson's wife beating son as a manager of this club. Call me stuck in the 90's or whatever but I still have nothing but contempt for that man and see him as an enemy of Jack. Not gonna say I'll go mad if they brought in someone with ex United connections (Darren Ferguson is an exceptional case though) its not like I've continually berated Wes Brown. Still though part of the reason for my concerns is the sheer amount of horrible people associated with that club. Who else in football has so many detestable ex players, employees, etc? Kept quiet about it because it would have annoyed people but look at Marshall. It was no surprise to me whatsoever that he turned out to be a selfish unprofessional whore looking out for himself. United syndrome.
OK I'm a hypocrite perhaps because I've called people out on reason for berating Coyle. That's in comparison to Redfearn/Slade who appeared to be even worse options AND Coyle walked out on Burnley anyway its not like he was a lifetime fan of theirs. There's been nothing so far to suggest Mowbray is better (personality and appearing more likable isn't related to talent) and to me those making him out to be so superior are doing so because of Coyle's past with Burnley more than genuine belief. I accept that many didn't want Coyle because of his record but to tell me that Burnley had nothing to do with the vitriol towards him insults my intelligence. Take their fans out of the argument and tell me how many of their ex players/managers are horrible, untrustworthy people? There's Barton, Andre Gray examples but really most of the vitriol is aimed at their fans rather than players, managers with Coyle being the exception. Fans continued to abuse him even when he was at Bolton including that moronic racist chant. Did anybody on here hate Keith Newton growing up for joining them via a spell at Everton?
I reacted to Coyle and Mowbray in exactly the same way by questioning their records BUT acknowledging they were probably not the worst options. That sums up how much Venkys have destroyed when the only positives are hoping someone isn't as bad as others.
Phil Brown is like others who have lost their way. Jackett, Cotterill both boring options (don't you think it would be better to take a risk on up and coming than old and mundane?) and I don't know much about Alexander so can't really comment. The other 4 seem no better to me than Coyle/Mowbray.
...and no I won't buy into that depressing rubbish above because the name alone even now still makes it more attractive than most to potential buyers. Look at Mowbray when he explained why he turned down other clubs to come here. Even with Venkys he saw it as too big to turn down. This club is above League 1 and history shows it with vast majority of time spent in the top 2 divisions. To be in L1 would be an embarrassment for a club of this stature and a sad indictment of Venkys reign.
...and for the 654654354 time its a BIG town.
OK I'm a hypocrite perhaps because I've called people out on reason for berating Coyle. That's in comparison to Redfearn/Slade who appeared to be even worse options AND Coyle walked out on Burnley anyway its not like he was a lifetime fan of theirs. There's been nothing so far to suggest Mowbray is better (personality and appearing more likable isn't related to talent) and to me those making him out to be so superior are doing so because of Coyle's past with Burnley more than genuine belief. I accept that many didn't want Coyle because of his record but to tell me that Burnley had nothing to do with the vitriol towards him insults my intelligence. Take their fans out of the argument and tell me how many of their ex players/managers are horrible, untrustworthy people? There's Barton, Andre Gray examples but really most of the vitriol is aimed at their fans rather than players, managers with Coyle being the exception. Fans continued to abuse him even when he was at Bolton including that moronic racist chant. Did anybody on here hate Keith Newton growing up for joining them via a spell at Everton?
I reacted to Coyle and Mowbray in exactly the same way by questioning their records BUT acknowledging they were probably not the worst options. That sums up how much Venkys have destroyed when the only positives are hoping someone isn't as bad as others.
Phil Brown is like others who have lost their way. Jackett, Cotterill both boring options (don't you think it would be better to take a risk on up and coming than old and mundane?) and I don't know much about Alexander so can't really comment. The other 4 seem no better to me than Coyle/Mowbray.
...and no I won't buy into that depressing rubbish above because the name alone even now still makes it more attractive than most to potential buyers. Look at Mowbray when he explained why he turned down other clubs to come here. Even with Venkys he saw it as too big to turn down. This club is above League 1 and history shows it with vast majority of time spent in the top 2 divisions. To be in L1 would be an embarrassment for a club of this stature and a sad indictment of Venkys reign.
...and for the 654654354 time its a BIG town.
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blueandwhitehalves
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I hate United as much as anyone but it's ridiculous in my opinion to refuse to recruit their former players/managers. We'd have never hired Hughes on that basis and missed out on 3 brilliant seasons that will live long in my memory.
Brown's last 2 seasons in management have been roaring successes. If he lost his way he's found it again. Cotterill and Jackett being considered boring despite excellent records exactly emphasises my point. But then I never thought it was boring when we were winning under Allardyce either.
Fine, use the name/ground/history in the sales pitch. It'll work just as well on the guys I mentioned as on Mowbray (who's other interested clubs must have been League 2 or below). I just don't see the point in letting it blind us into thinking we need some kind of celebrity manager.
Brown's last 2 seasons in management have been roaring successes. If he lost his way he's found it again. Cotterill and Jackett being considered boring despite excellent records exactly emphasises my point. But then I never thought it was boring when we were winning under Allardyce either.
Fine, use the name/ground/history in the sales pitch. It'll work just as well on the guys I mentioned as on Mowbray (who's other interested clubs must have been League 2 or below). I just don't see the point in letting it blind us into thinking we need some kind of celebrity manager.
Let me use Joyce as an example. I felt his inexperience and age counted against him and that was enough reasoning for me without needing to bring United into it. Jason Wilcox was a better option to approach and its an insult to Jason's achievements at Rovers to suggest I only advocated him because he works for City. If he had worked for Arsenal/Chelsea in a similar role would honestly have said the exact same thing. Wilcox cares about this club (perhaps more than anyone of the 94/95 squad) and I trust him. Trust is an absolutely major bonus for me. Apart from Jack who can we truly say was someone we trusted? In 1998 I was devastated when Hendry left and while I held no bitterness towards him (I believed his family excuse at the time) it made me less naive. Not even close to the angry, bitter feelings that developed later but just a tiny bit more cynical. Like to think Tugay may have turned down other clubs but we never saw "push come to shove" did we? Even when Wilcox left he never demanded to join Leeds. The club saw Duff as a better player which turned out to be correct.
Won't deny my spite towards Hughes which in retrospect was petty on my part. Particularly referring to him as Leslie in a belittling manner. The constant links to United upset me admittedly but people look at things on the surface and it just leads to arguments. I was very angry and bitter at the time (prompted by the Walker family/trustees and the abusive reaction I received) and felt I didn't have to justify my hatred of United. Hughes did have an arrogance about him in my view that was symbolic of United but can't deny he did well here while starved by a corrupt trust. I did say he should be judged on what he would do with a higher budget (whether it was with a takeover at Rovers or elsewhere) and he was a failure at City/QPR. He's had money at Stoke but maybe he's learned his lessons and I'm not sure exactly how much he's spent. People wondered why I didn't bring it up so much with Ince (when he turned out to be useless wanted him sacked as much as anyone else) and truthfully its because I didn't feel if he succeeded that he would ever go to United due to his time at Liverpool. Ince was arrogant as well of course and directly insulted the club in 1997 which I held against him.
I didn't protest against Allardyce and felt he was suitable at the time. I wanted him replaced in the event of a takeover (obviously I wouldn't have replaced him with Steve Kean though won't deny mentioning Maradona BEFORE Venkys took over!) and that didn't work out too badly for West Ham did it? Bilic might be losing his way now but he certainly wasn't at first. Brown, Cotterill, Jackett maybe there's a case for them but I would rather have a "fresh face" who's a young "up and comer". If Venkys leave I don't want the club to be a boring outfit (I accept most would prefer that compared to Venkys but if they leave we need to be careful about blindly accepting boring mediocrity) though I accept getting back into PL may be a long grind. At the very least considering the success this club has had it at least needs to be interesting. Its not that much to ask is it? Someone took a chance on those 3 didn't they for their initial success? That's what Rovers could do (hire an up and comer but more exciting and dynamic than those 3 ever were) but the club needs personality both on and off the field. Right now there's no leaders in the team at all.
Anyway probably best to add no more on the subject on this thread. To be fair it wasn't me who brought up Darren Ferguson! On a sporadic basis however expect an anti-United comment here and there lol.
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You won't get a criticism from me for being anti Scum. I too hate them with a passion.
OnlyOneTugay
Prediction Champion 2019 & 2020
If we do go down ,looking back at the last time we were in the 3rd Division , I think we had Ken Furphy and Gordon Lee .Both were relatively unknown and had lower league promotions on their CVs before they moved to the Rovers , and both did well , Furphy laying the foundations for Lee's promotion season. In our second spell we had Howard Kendall as player manager - an amazing and inspired appointment and an expert at grinding out the 1-0s . Perhaps not the sort of football our fans of tikki takki and total football could stomach.
I agree with blueandwhitehalves , forget the the celebrity managers and go for a solid one, one with previous promotions from the lower leagues , and I don't give a monkey's where he comes from. Alternatively is their another Howard Kendall out there ?
I agree with blueandwhitehalves , forget the the celebrity managers and go for a solid one, one with previous promotions from the lower leagues , and I don't give a monkey's where he comes from. Alternatively is their another Howard Kendall out there ?
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Bobthesock
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Really? Scum?? Ur a pensioner calling a football team scum?