Old Darwen Blue
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I honestly believe it should be scrapped and then we can go back to praising or slagging off the referee whichever applies.
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We did that against Fulham but it didn't get us a point did it?
VAR provides a clear and accurate verdict on events. Just like goal line tech tbh. If it's right how can it be wrong? It's only the rules and interpretation of them which requires amending, I believe the Off Side rules are already lined up to be adapted to it this summer.
VAR provides a clear and accurate verdict on events. Just like goal line tech tbh. If it's right how can it be wrong? It's only the rules and interpretation of them which requires amending, I believe the Off Side rules are already lined up to be adapted to it this summer.
So do i. VAR still gets things wrong. As does video technology in Rugby League/union.
Old Darwen Blue
Prediction Champion 2021, 2022 & 2023
Gord, (pause, take a breath,) we haven’t needed this stupid idea for a over a century of football. It may be new technology but IT ISNT WORKING! We should just accept that it’s a good idea in practice but due to its practical implementation by different persons and different referees that it’s no different to what we had before we had VAR.
Did you see the outcry the other week when that ref had the audacity to actually walk to the touch line to view a screen, let’s leave it in the refs hands come what may.
Of course it's working! Depends whether or not you want the correct decisions to be made or not. I do!
We'd have had a point just 2 weeks ago against Fulham but for a bad linesman. I especially welcome it being a supporter of a small club who has seen countless decisions go against us and in favour of big clubs in their own stadiums. ODB do you really want to return to this when MU did not concede to a pen at LOT for 11 years? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ise-surprise-went-Manchester-Uniteds-way.html
Moving on..............
I'm dead against any Ref viewing a screen because he immediately becomes a target for one lot behind the goals or another, Think of David Elleray sending off Keane 3 times and the shit he took for that! The anti-terrorist squad even had to open his bloody post for a time such were the amount of death threats he received! Some unknown chap making the decision from 100 miles away would avoid all that.
However no one can defend the indefensible and the Wolves player was offside! Only by a small amount I grant you but until they change the directions and guidelines that they have to work to (which they will) then the VAR operative has no option. I don't know how far they go back in play as the chap offside was the one crossing the ball and not the scorer. Perhaps general play should be down to the linesmen with just a check on whether the actual scorer was offside or not. Personally I felt Leicester's Choudhery was harshly sent off but that was never VAR checked was it?
No one moans about video decisions in cricket or tennis and even goal line technology (I think the Lampard no goal in the World Cup saw to that.) even though margins are undetectable by the naked eye. The 'hot spot' technology in cricket has been a relevation! Why then should VAR receive such bad press from traditionalists? To do away with VAR would be completely illogical and totally indefensible. All we need is the correct decision to be made surely? VAR gets decisions right to fractions of an inch NOT getting decisions wrong by two yards as some of the decisions we have seen recently in the Championship!
Personally speaking as far as I am concerned offside should not be judged on an outstretched limb but basically on a footballers dick!
Before we invariably get all smutty, to judge offside on a footballers hips is the fairest way as forwards are usually leaning forward and defenders leaning out. Whether that means footballers shorts should have a tiny sensor on the side then that might become an option. Perhaps using the apparatus on their backs to locate their exact position might be a start but that would be prone to error created by players 'leaning' one way or the other . In running competitors have to chest the tape NOT grab it with outstretched hand. Who in football thought it was a good idea to use fingers and toes as the yardstick?
One thing is for sure we would be nothing better than dinosaurs to reject change and do away with technology rather than persevering and perfecting it.
We'd have had a point just 2 weeks ago against Fulham but for a bad linesman. I especially welcome it being a supporter of a small club who has seen countless decisions go against us and in favour of big clubs in their own stadiums. ODB do you really want to return to this when MU did not concede to a pen at LOT for 11 years? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ise-surprise-went-Manchester-Uniteds-way.html
Moving on..............
I'm dead against any Ref viewing a screen because he immediately becomes a target for one lot behind the goals or another, Think of David Elleray sending off Keane 3 times and the shit he took for that! The anti-terrorist squad even had to open his bloody post for a time such were the amount of death threats he received! Some unknown chap making the decision from 100 miles away would avoid all that.
However no one can defend the indefensible and the Wolves player was offside! Only by a small amount I grant you but until they change the directions and guidelines that they have to work to (which they will) then the VAR operative has no option. I don't know how far they go back in play as the chap offside was the one crossing the ball and not the scorer. Perhaps general play should be down to the linesmen with just a check on whether the actual scorer was offside or not. Personally I felt Leicester's Choudhery was harshly sent off but that was never VAR checked was it?
No one moans about video decisions in cricket or tennis and even goal line technology (I think the Lampard no goal in the World Cup saw to that.) even though margins are undetectable by the naked eye. The 'hot spot' technology in cricket has been a relevation! Why then should VAR receive such bad press from traditionalists? To do away with VAR would be completely illogical and totally indefensible. All we need is the correct decision to be made surely? VAR gets decisions right to fractions of an inch NOT getting decisions wrong by two yards as some of the decisions we have seen recently in the Championship!
Personally speaking as far as I am concerned offside should not be judged on an outstretched limb but basically on a footballers dick!
Before we invariably get all smutty, to judge offside on a footballers hips is the fairest way as forwards are usually leaning forward and defenders leaning out. Whether that means footballers shorts should have a tiny sensor on the side then that might become an option. Perhaps using the apparatus on their backs to locate their exact position might be a start but that would be prone to error created by players 'leaning' one way or the other . In running competitors have to chest the tape NOT grab it with outstretched hand. Who in football thought it was a good idea to use fingers and toes as the yardstick? One thing is for sure we would be nothing better than dinosaurs to reject change and do away with technology rather than persevering and perfecting it.
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Wilpshire Blue
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In cricket a batsman is not out even if the ball was hitting the stumps, providing the umpire originally said not out out and the ball would have hit less than half of the stump.
This is called "umpires call" and accounts for the fact that the technology is only used for an obvious error, not an error that the human eye couldn't be expected to see.
VAR, on the other hand, is used to such a ridiculous extent that, nevermind the linesman in real time, even the person watching the video has to run it through three or four times to make up their mind.
Its introduction to the Premier League has been poorly thought through.
They need to change the rule to have something like cricket, where an offside has to be by a certain margin, likewise for a handball - not just "did it flick the arm of his shirt?"
I would also suggest they adopt another rule from cricket, where each team gets 2 or 3 calls to use VAR in each match.
If they don't call for VAR, the decision stands.
If they call for VAR and they are wrong, they lose their call but if they are right, they can use it again.
This would stop the game being stopped everytime the official thinks something might have happened.
This is called "umpires call" and accounts for the fact that the technology is only used for an obvious error, not an error that the human eye couldn't be expected to see.
VAR, on the other hand, is used to such a ridiculous extent that, nevermind the linesman in real time, even the person watching the video has to run it through three or four times to make up their mind.
Its introduction to the Premier League has been poorly thought through.
They need to change the rule to have something like cricket, where an offside has to be by a certain margin, likewise for a handball - not just "did it flick the arm of his shirt?"
I would also suggest they adopt another rule from cricket, where each team gets 2 or 3 calls to use VAR in each match.
If they don't call for VAR, the decision stands.
If they call for VAR and they are wrong, they lose their call but if they are right, they can use it again.
This would stop the game being stopped everytime the official thinks something might have happened.
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OnlyOneTugay
Prediction Champion 2019 & 2020
I don’t watch much premier league football so my knowledge of VAR is limited . The DRS system in cricket has made the game even better and has brought the art of spin bowling back into vogue . As WB says DRS can’t be used willy nilly due to the rules , if you use it and you’re wrong , you lose it .
You dont watch much PL football ?. Well you are missing Liverpool walking it. Tyler faking, And its live. For extra excitement. Co-commentators finishing every line with a question. I do not know why i bother with it sometimes tbh. I am suiting myself, When Rovers get back there i will be alright.
Wilpshire Blue
Senior Member
And again...
Old Darwen Blue
Prediction Champion 2021, 2022 & 2023
That’s my point exactly, it’s spoiling the game and we should do away with it. Its creating just as much controversy as when we didn’t have it!
Harsh penalty but then if you'd have seen that as a spurs supporter and it hadn't been given you would have thought that was harsh too.
Lets not get diverted from the truth of it though. Villa lost that match though because of missing some sitters and an awful mistake by Engels in the last seconds.
Lets not get diverted from the truth of it though. Villa lost that match though because of missing some sitters and an awful mistake by Engels in the last seconds.
Wilpshire Blue
Senior Member
Yet again!
Chelsea goal disallowed because a Chelsea player pushed a man u player.
What the halfwits missed is that he had been pushed by a United player in the first place.
"It's not football any more" sing the Chelsea fans and they aren't the only ones.
Bin this system or bin the fools using it to make decisions.
Chelsea goal disallowed because a Chelsea player pushed a man u player.
What the halfwits missed is that he had been pushed by a United player in the first place.
"It's not football any more" sing the Chelsea fans and they aren't the only ones.
Bin this system or bin the fools using it to make decisions.
Old Darwen Blue
Prediction Champion 2021, 2022 & 2023
I agree 100% pal, we don’t need it.
Correction! We definitely do! All my life I've seen injustice after injustice in football and unerringly benefiting the big clubs.
VAR is completely accurate that is inarguable so how can you argue that it is wrong? The human interpretation is the problem..... just as it is in the lower Leagues without VAR. Wilpshire how can you be sure the Ref would have seen both shoves and come down with the right decision? You can't can you?
This new technology simply provides the officials with the chance to get things right, as it develops I'm sure it will get far more decisions right than the current system which is frequently flawed.
Want a scenario FOR var? I realise that if my Aunt had bollocks she'd have been my uncle but the Rovers could so easily have failed to win the Prem title in 95! If Andy Cole had scored one of those sitters against WHU Man Utd would have been Champions! Fact of the matter was that the title race would have been over before that final day if VAR had been in use. Tim Sherwood's 'equaliser' at Old Trafford being disallowed by that little ginger twat Durkin for an alleged shove on Keane by Shearer when actually Keane was backing in! Nobody at Old Trafford in the crowd, on the sidelines, in the TV studio and not even the MU players on the pitch claimed for a foul....... just the little shit with the whistle! (How much he benefited by that we can only speculate.) If that season had panned out that way I doubt anyone in Blackburn would be arguing against VAR.
Just as an aside should we do away with photo finishes getting the winner precisely right in horse racing just because some people might want to catch an earlier bus home?
btw I'm talking generally cos I haven't seen said incident yet.
VAR is completely accurate that is inarguable so how can you argue that it is wrong? The human interpretation is the problem..... just as it is in the lower Leagues without VAR. Wilpshire how can you be sure the Ref would have seen both shoves and come down with the right decision? You can't can you?
This new technology simply provides the officials with the chance to get things right, as it develops I'm sure it will get far more decisions right than the current system which is frequently flawed.
Want a scenario FOR var? I realise that if my Aunt had bollocks she'd have been my uncle but the Rovers could so easily have failed to win the Prem title in 95! If Andy Cole had scored one of those sitters against WHU Man Utd would have been Champions! Fact of the matter was that the title race would have been over before that final day if VAR had been in use. Tim Sherwood's 'equaliser' at Old Trafford being disallowed by that little ginger twat Durkin for an alleged shove on Keane by Shearer when actually Keane was backing in! Nobody at Old Trafford in the crowd, on the sidelines, in the TV studio and not even the MU players on the pitch claimed for a foul....... just the little shit with the whistle! (How much he benefited by that we can only speculate.) If that season had panned out that way I doubt anyone in Blackburn would be arguing against VAR.
Just as an aside should we do away with photo finishes getting the winner precisely right in horse racing just because some people might want to catch an earlier bus home?
btw I'm talking generally cos I haven't seen said incident yet.
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Old Darwen Blue
Prediction Champion 2021, 2022 & 2023
Can’t beat a good discussion like this.
Wilpshire Blue
Senior Member
Drog, the VAR officials DID see both shoves and screwed it up.
They are unfit for purpose.
They are unfit for purpose.
OnlyOneTugay
Prediction Champion 2019 & 2020
I can understand the use of technology to get things right . In cricket it’s added to the game and certainly in some cases improved it . Spin bowling is much more of a threat now that the batsman can’t just stick their front leg down the wicket , knowing in the past if the ball hit it the umpire was unlikely to give him out .
However football mainly relies on goals for excitement and there aren’t that many in comparison to wickets . Fans rightly ‘ lose ‘ it when their team scores . However they usually know pretty instantly if it’s disallowed by a linesman’s flag or the refs whistle if there’s been an offside or infringement.
I imagine there are now a lot of goals scored in the Premier League that are subject to VAR. It’ll get to the stage where fans will learn to subdue their goal celebrations until VAR has checked whether a player was or wasn’t offside by his toenail , which could take VAR a few minutes to reach a decision. Will that spoil the spontaneity and pleasure in the game ?
VAR might take controversially wrong decisions out of football but at the same time make it less of a spectacle.
However football mainly relies on goals for excitement and there aren’t that many in comparison to wickets . Fans rightly ‘ lose ‘ it when their team scores . However they usually know pretty instantly if it’s disallowed by a linesman’s flag or the refs whistle if there’s been an offside or infringement.
I imagine there are now a lot of goals scored in the Premier League that are subject to VAR. It’ll get to the stage where fans will learn to subdue their goal celebrations until VAR has checked whether a player was or wasn’t offside by his toenail , which could take VAR a few minutes to reach a decision. Will that spoil the spontaneity and pleasure in the game ?
VAR might take controversially wrong decisions out of football but at the same time make it less of a spectacle.
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My earlier point exactly. That is not a fault of the VAR technology.
