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Venkys: Is the proverbial about to hit the fan?

blueandwhitehalves

Senior Member
I hope you don't mind me butting in, b&wh. I have seen you mention previously that you see us a League One club lucky to be competing at this level, or words to that effect. Could this also be a reason as to why you believe that nobody credible will be interested in buying us? It's a view that I can't fathom myself, but I respect that it's your opinion, as I am the complete opposite in regards to how I view our club. For me, I see a Premier League club that has been ruined by owners who know nothing about football, who have reduced Rovers to this shower that we see today. The state of the club today is all down to the owners, imo. The club is littered with incompetent people above the manager, people who would never have got near the club under Uncle Jack or John Williams, people with links to SEM are stationed throughout the club (I wonder why), we have morons at the top repeatedly making the club look a laughing stock. On the pitch we have a collection of short term loanees and frees meaning we have to rebuild again in the summer. We've been hearing about rebuilds and 'journeys' since 2018 under Mowbray. It's hogwash because of these owners, who do not allow any rebuilding to take place.

I believe that 13 years of this carry on has beaten a lot of the fanbase into thinking this is as good as it gets. It isn't! A new owner will wake everybody up to how crap this ownership has been. That new owner doesn't even have to be an oil baron, tycoon or nation state. Nobody is asking for a tilt at another Premier League trophy. Quite simply somebody with a bit of ambition and care would do. We have been starved of that for 13 years. Zero ambition. £200m these prats are down, and they have sod all to show for it.

1. They have spent a fortune covering the bills/losses, which they have played a big part in causing in the first place. Covering the losses/paying the bills is not a reason for pats on the back. PNE lose £15m a season, which is covered by their owners. Why do we never hear how "wonderful and generous" the Hemmings Family is for pumping £15 a year into PNE? Why is there no song and dance made about 'PNE going to the wall' without their owner's input? Only at Rovers and among the Rovers fans does this seemingly happen. Rovers have no hope without Venky's, apparently. Yet the rest of the Championship is ok if their respective owners were to leave? This doomsday angle is only saved for Rovers. I strongly suspect it has been initiated by agents to keep Venky's in situ and now ran with by thousands repeating "who else is going to put £15m in, Venky's must stay".

2. True, there is no guarantee. There is, however, no chance of going up doing what we are currently doing. When have this lot spent a fortune trying to win promotion? It quite simply has never happened. Despite that, JDT had us close to the play offs last season and it only needed a final push from the owners. Not a massive outlay, just a reasonable push. For the second January in a row though, including Mowbray's last, they showed that they didn't give a damn, which is why they need to go. Look at the state of this January window, with everybody laughing at us, for further proof that they need to go. A new owner would bring renewed hope and restore a bit of pride about the place. Everybody connected to Rovers needs it. Hope.

3. Our fanbase shrinking might have something to do with the garbage and chaos that the fans have had to endure for the last 13 years. Right at the beginning, protests ignored, fans painted as the villains, new contract for Kean, the agency allowed to run riot. All of this caused 10,000 fans to walk away. Many never to return. Then you have the managerial appointments from the stable linked to the bastards at the very beginning. All the way up until Mowbray. People notice these things. Owen Coyle turning up pissed off many. I know people who quit at that point as they felt that the piss was being taken out of them by somebody. There are a number of diehards who are about to pack it in now after the latest transfer debacle that has everybody laughing at us. A debacle which suggests there are still big issues behind the scenes. I accept that there might be other factors at play to explain our shrinking fanbase such as: being in the Championship, a shift in demographics, ticket prices etc but the biggest reason is what these owners have done to the club and continue to do. They have almost killed the club. It is an unrecognisable shell. This is why fans have left and more are leaving. The damage that these owners have done shouldn't be underestimated. A lot of those fans will be back when a new owner is in town and there is hope again.

4. Can't argue with the fact that we couldn't find a buyer back in the Prem days. However, what I will say is that the football landscape has changed a lot since then. The TV money in the Premier League has exploded. It exploded the year after we were relegated, meaning the hapless in Pune missed out. Good! Promotion results in a £150m windfall. There are more parties out there today, and significantly wealthier parties than back then, looking to buy Clubs in England, particularly from the Middle East. We had a Qatari oil giant try to buy us off Venky's in 2011. A Middle Eastern consortium made an approach to Venky's within the last 12 months, three other consortiums were also interested, two American. All ignored by Venky's, of course. You're not seriously saying Birmingham, Hull and Wrexham are more attractive than Rovers, are you? They've done diddly in the game compared to us. We have more pedigree than a lot of clubs and aren't as unattractive as people think. I think taking the former Premier League Champions back up into the Prem and securing £150m in the process might just appeal to a few. We just need these clowns to put us up for sale. I am expecting a few pleasantly surprised Rovers fans when they see who comes forward. Everything about the club has been dead for a long time. Venky's are not the only game in town! However, reading social media, you would think nobody on this Earth could ever fund Rovers except Venky's. These are an absolute joke, being treated like royalty for paying the bills.

Just on the Muslim town comment, I would think that might be of big appeal to any potential Qatari or Saudi based investor, rather than the opposite. Even if a new owner was from another region, whether there's a growing Muslim population in Blackburn or not would be irrelevant, in my view. The Muslim fans will be there to see Rovers, just like the diehards and the fans who are staying away, because it only takes a bit of ambition and respect for the club, to bring the fans back.
No not at all. Always great to have new members on the board, and I love getting on my soap box (a bit too much! 😆) so everyone is obviously more than welcome to disagree.

Personally I think that viewing us as a Premier League club is based on our history. Our history in 1928 was the best club in England with 6 FA Cups and 2 league titles. That didn't help us for the next 65 years of obscurity. Only money (Uncle Jack's) ended that obscurity, and only money can make us an established PL club again.

Fair point with Preston's owners propping them up too. But you never hear Preston fans slagging their owners off. I'd argue because they understand that a club with only 10,000 season ticket holders is doing well to be in the Championship.

The play-offs isn't promotion, 37% of the time 3rd wins it, so its still an outside chance finishing 4th-6th. And having a go at it requires both expensive transfer fees and signing expensive contracts which tie the club into that level of wage spending for 3-4 years. I mentioned there's 11 billionaire-owned clubs in the Championship and very few of them get the chequebook out big style for the promotion lottery.

Entitled to your opinion of course, but I can only say I totally disagree on our attractiveness to potential owners. They want to grow clubs and you can't grow Rovers. Wrexham have half of Wales as a potential catchment area. Rovers have Blackburn, Darwen, Wilpshire, and that's probably about it. Everywhere else is competing with Burnley, Preston, Bolton, Stanley, and our local gloryhunter teams Man U, Man City and Liverpool.

I've banged the drum for Blackburn's Asians being the club's salvation for about 5 years, but have recently started to see it as a pipe dream. There's a core of about 50 who've done a brilliant job for ages of trying things, but it just doesn't work. If they're the majority of Blackburn, we need them to be the majority of our fans, and there's no indication it'll ever be anywhere near that 10,000 or so required.
 
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Drog

Administrator
Staff member
The Muslim attitude Might change if the Issas bought the club but even their empire is crumbling now.
 

blueandwhitehalves

Senior Member
Whether I agree or not I'd just like to say what a great effort that was RoversQ77, and a great response b&wh.👏
Quality.
Cheers Drog! Good post yourself on the Lancashire United idea again. I'm just not sure I could ever join together with Burnley, Preston and Bolton fans. 150 years of rivalry is too much to get past for me, but there's no denying the economics of the idea.
 

Old Darwen Blue

Prediction Champion 2021 & 2022
I hope you don't mind me butting in, b&wh. I have seen you mention previously that you see us a League One club lucky to be competing at this level, or words to that effect. Could this also be a reason as to why you believe that nobody credible will be interested in buying us? It's a view that I can't fathom myself, but I respect that it's your opinion, as I am the complete opposite in regards to how I view our club. For me, I see a Premier League club that has been ruined by owners who know nothing about football, who have reduced Rovers to this shower that we see today. The state of the club today is all down to the owners, imo. The club is littered with incompetent people above the manager, people who would never have got near the club under Uncle Jack or John Williams, people with links to SEM are stationed throughout the club (I wonder why), we have morons at the top repeatedly making the club look a laughing stock. On the pitch we have a collection of short term loanees and frees meaning we have to rebuild again in the summer. We've been hearing about rebuilds and 'journeys' since 2018 under Mowbray. It's hogwash because of these owners, who do not allow any rebuilding to take place.

I believe that 13 years of this carry on has beaten a lot of the fanbase into thinking this is as good as it gets. It isn't! A new owner will wake everybody up to how crap this ownership has been. That new owner doesn't even have to be an oil baron, tycoon or nation state. Nobody is asking for a tilt at another Premier League trophy. Quite simply somebody with a bit of ambition and care would do. We have been starved of that for 13 years. Zero ambition. £200m these prats are down, and they have sod all to show for it.

1. They have spent a fortune covering the bills/losses, which they have played a big part in causing in the first place. Covering the losses/paying the bills is not a reason for pats on the back. PNE lose £15m a season, which is covered by their owners. Why do we never hear how "wonderful and generous" the Hemmings Family is for pumping £15 a year into PNE? Why is there no song and dance made about 'PNE going to the wall' without their owner's input? Only at Rovers and among the Rovers fans does this seemingly happen. Rovers have no hope without Venky's, apparently. Yet the rest of the Championship is ok if their respective owners were to leave? This doomsday angle is only saved for Rovers. I strongly suspect it has been initiated by agents to keep Venky's in situ and now ran with by thousands repeating "who else is going to put £15m in, Venky's must stay".

2. True, there is no guarantee. There is, however, no chance of going up doing what we are currently doing. When have this lot spent a fortune trying to win promotion? It quite simply has never happened. Despite that, JDT had us close to the play offs last season and it only needed a final push from the owners. Not a massive outlay, just a reasonable push. For the second January in a row though, including Mowbray's last, they showed that they didn't give a damn, which is why they need to go. Look at the state of this January window, with everybody laughing at us, for further proof that they need to go. A new owner would bring renewed hope and restore a bit of pride about the place. Everybody connected to Rovers needs it. Hope.

3. Our fanbase shrinking might have something to do with the garbage and chaos that the fans have had to endure for the last 13 years. Right at the beginning, protests ignored, fans painted as the villains, new contract for Kean, the agency allowed to run riot. All of this caused 10,000 fans to walk away. Many never to return. Then you have the managerial appointments from the stable linked to the bastards at the very beginning. All the way up until Mowbray. People notice these things. Owen Coyle turning up pissed off many. I know people who quit at that point as they felt that the piss was being taken out of them by somebody. There are a number of diehards who are about to pack it in now after the latest transfer debacle that has everybody laughing at us. A debacle which suggests there are still big issues behind the scenes. I accept that there might be other factors at play to explain our shrinking fanbase such as: being in the Championship, a shift in demographics, ticket prices etc but the biggest reason is what these owners have done to the club and continue to do. They have almost killed the club. It is an unrecognisable shell. This is why fans have left and more are leaving. The damage that these owners have done shouldn't be underestimated. A lot of those fans will be back when a new owner is in town and there is hope again.

4. Can't argue with the fact that we couldn't find a buyer back in the Prem days. However, what I will say is that the football landscape has changed a lot since then. The TV money in the Premier League has exploded. It exploded the year after we were relegated, meaning the hapless in Pune missed out. Good! Promotion results in a £150m windfall. There are more parties out there today, and significantly wealthier parties than back then, looking to buy Clubs in England, particularly from the Middle East. We had a Qatari oil giant try to buy us off Venky's in 2011. A Middle Eastern consortium made an approach to Venky's within the last 12 months, three other consortiums were also interested, two American. All ignored by Venky's, of course. You're not seriously saying Birmingham, Hull and Wrexham are more attractive than Rovers, are you? They've done diddly in the game compared to us. We have more pedigree than a lot of clubs and aren't as unattractive as people think. I think taking the former Premier League Champions back up into the Prem and securing £150m in the process might just appeal to a few. We just need these clowns to put us up for sale. I am expecting a few pleasantly surprised Rovers fans when they see who comes forward. Everything about the club has been dead for a long time. Venky's are not the only game in town! However, reading social media, you would think nobody on this Earth could ever fund Rovers except Venky's. These are an absolute joke, being treated like royalty for paying the bills.

Just on the Muslim town comment, I would think that might be of big appeal to any potential Qatari or Saudi based investor, rather than the opposite. Even if a new owner was from another region, whether there's a growing Muslim population in Blackburn or not would be irrelevant, in my view. The Muslim fans will be there to see Rovers, just like the diehards and the fans who are staying away, because it only takes a bit of ambition and respect for the club, to bring the fans back.
Thank you pal at least it’s nice to read a sensible post. Until the venkys are gone this club will only deteriorate.
 

Old Darwen Blue

Prediction Champion 2021 & 2022
Cheers Drog! Good post yourself on the Lancashire United idea again. I'm just not sure I could ever join together with Burnley, Preston and Bolton fans. 150 years of rivalry is too much to get past for me, but there's no denying the economics of the idea.
You can merge clubs but you can NEVER merge fans. It’s a silly idea.
 

Old Darwen Blue

Prediction Champion 2021 & 2022
The Muslim attitude Might change if the Issas bought the club but even their empire is crumbling now.
So you keep saying. I however note only expansion in the EG Group. Are you confusing a hope with an observation maybe?
 

Barmitzvah Boy

Global winner of the 2021 Christmas Quiz 👊🤩🤩
No not at all. Always great to have new members on the board, and I love getting on my soap box (a bit too much! 😆) so everyone is obviously more than welcome to disagree.

Personally I think that viewing us as a Premier League club is based on our history. Our history in 1928 was the best club in England with 6 FA Cups and 2 league titles. That didn't help us for the next 65 years of obscurity. Only money (Uncle Jack's) ended that obscurity, and only money can make us an established PL club again.

Fair point with Preston's owners propping them up too. But you never hear Preston fans slagging their owners off. I'd argue because they understand that a club with only 10,000 season ticket holders is doing well to be in the Championship.

The play-offs isn't promotion, 37% of the time 3rd wins it, so its still an outside chance finishing 4th-6th. And having a go at it requires both expensive transfer fees and signing expensive contracts which tie the club into that level of wage spending for 3-4 years. I mentioned there's 11 billionaire-owned clubs in the Championship and very few of them get the chequebook out big style for the promotion lottery.

Entitled to your opinion of course, but I can only say I totally disagree on our attractiveness to potential owners. They want to grow clubs and you can't grow Rovers. Wrexham have half of Wales as a potential catchment area. Rovers have Blackburn, Darwen, Wilpshire, and that's probably about it. Everywhere else is competing with Burnley, Preston, Bolton, Stanley, and our local gloryhunter teams Man U, Man City and Liverpool.

I've banged the drum for Blackburn's Asians being the club's salvation for about 5 years, but have recently started to see it as a pipe dream. There's a core of about 50 who've done a brilliant job for ages of trying things, but it just doesn't work. If they're the majority of Blackburn, we need them to be the majority of our fans, and there's no indication it'll ever be anywhere near that 10,000 or so required.
I am not too sure bout your PNE reference; they are losing £200k per week and the Hemmings family are often criticised by their fans who want them replaced by someone daft enough to chuck £££’s at the club; indeed the Hemmings family want out of PNE but cannot yet find an investor.

As for Rovers our catchment area includes Chorley, Hyndburn, Rossendale etc but sadly neither the club nor the Community Trust appear to be prepared to do any work in those areas with Hyndburn being left to Accy to promote their brand.
 
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Drog

Administrator
Staff member
You can merge clubs but you can NEVER merge fans. It’s a silly idea.
Surely you've heard the old adage that states a dying man will grasp at a straw? Well equally a dying 'fan' will grasp at a straw!:D
 

Drog

Administrator
Staff member
I am not too sure bout your PNE reference; they are losing £200k per week and the Hemmings family are often criticised by their fans who want them replaced by someone daft enough to chuck £££’s at the club; indeed the Hemmings family want out of PNE but cannot yet find an investor.

As for Rovers our catchment area includes Chorley, Hyndburn, Rossendale etc but sadly neither the club nor the Community Trust appear to be prepared to do my work in those areas with Hyndburn being left to Accy to promote their brand.
I'm sure you've told them precisely that BB. Doesn't sound like you've had any reaction though.
I've really no axe to grind with Steve Waggot and Co but how many of em have blue and white blood running through their veins? Bit like our MP's Castle, Straw cleared off asap and whatever the anonymous one's name is probably can't wait to retire on a big pension and then sod off elsewhere too. SW's from the NE isn't he? Will he care about BRFC when after he's gone? This is prob why Jack Walker backed the Rovers and why Steve Gibson is seen as one of the best Chairmen in the country.
 

MattAF

Active Member
Another thought since we have Wharton money in hand why would Indian Government allow transfer of money in March if we are cashed up to pay the bills for another 6months. Pushing the can down the road one might say and that money is gone and won’t be re-invested. Very unfortunate timing of the postponement to the case 😤
 

Drog

Administrator
Staff member
I didn't need to find another example but it's pretty obvious that time heals all wounds isn't it?
 

blueandwhitehalves

Senior Member
One other thing I'd say about Venkys is that ever since 1995 I don't think Rovers fans have been very good at being grateful for what we've got.

1. Souness/Hughes era - It's easy to forget now, but I remember the vitriolic criticism the likes of Pedersen, Yorke, Emerton, Matteo, Savage in his early days, Reid in his early days, Mokoena and Roberts used to get. The toxic way fans turned on Neill at the end, Rovers greatest right-back in living memory IMO. And of course how fans turned on Souness after 1 bad season following 3 brilliant ones. Booing him on his return with Newcastle was disgraceful. There was a persistent moany, unforgiving air under the surface during the 00s golden age because it didn't shine as bright as the 90s one.

2. Allardyce era - The Trust was trying to sell the club by then, so Friedel, Warnock, Bentley and Santa Cruz were replaced with cheaper alternatives Robinson, Givet, Diouf and Kalinic. We went from top half to mid-table, and needed 'hoofball' to manage that. Again much of the focus was on what we'd lost instead of what we had, to utterly disastrous consequences this time. I'm still convinced the anti-Allardyce section of our support, with their short-sighted disregard for the importance of our PL status, played a part in helping Anderson drip his regime-change poison into Venkys ear.

3. Now - Ok this season is going badly, but the recent Venkys' Championship reign reads 15th, 11th, 15th, 8th, 7th. What if Venkys are somehow forced out and the new owners want to break even instead of making very large losses? Well then its bye-bye respectable Championship finishes and hello League 1. And just like the previous eras, its not hard to predict that a decade from now hindsight could tell us Venkys weren't doing too bad, just like Allardyce wasn't with his hoofball PL safety, and just like Souness/Hughes weren't with their top half PL finishes.
 

Barmitzvah Boy

Global winner of the 2021 Christmas Quiz 👊🤩🤩
I have just seen this. A sensible approach:

 
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