The next Rovers manager

[Chaddyrovers]

I don't think Ainsworth would come if Wycombe get promoted, think he would if they don't.

I'm doubtful on Farke generally, big step down in the resources he had at Norwich compared to here. I could see him as a target for Leeds if they go down, or maybe West Brom.

Liam Manning looks a decent young manager. Of the other current favourites Carrick and Ferguson are complete unknowns, and Grayson would be a step down from Mowbray.

I only see Carvahal as equivalent to Mowbray myself, but that's good enough for me.

look at the job he done at Sheffield United or Braga. he is miles better manager than Mowbray.

Farke is interested in the job and what resources did he had at Norwich? he sold players for millions and bought in better replacements for less money who get them promoted twice. Mowbray has 15 million plus here then quality loan signings. Never got us top 6 at all.

Why Manning?

Carrick not interested in management as reported this week/

Ferguson?

 

[Drog]

I'm waiting to be surprised about our new manager but imo it's 4/1 against us improving on last season and who we had as Manager. An unnecessary gamble is my opinion on all this.
Some Managers suit certain clubs and others suit different clubs. History is littered with poor Managerial choices.....
Rem when Burnley nearly went out of the League (and existence) by appointing a cheque book Charlie in John Bond?
Rem when we were relegated after binning off the 'perfect fit' in Allardyce?
Almost relegated by John Williams foolishly believing that Ince was the new Mark Hughes?
Watford binned off Dyche in favour of Zola!
Leeds and Brian Clough?

Big clubs can usually survive a bad choice of Manager, poor clubs usually get relegated.

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

look at the job he done at Sheffield United or Braga. he is miles better manager than Mowbray.

Farke is interested in the job and what resources did he had at Norwich? he sold players for millions and bought in better replacements for less money who get them promoted twice. Mowbray has 15 million plus here then quality loan signings. Never got us top 6 at all.

Why Manning?

Carrick not interested in management as reported this week/

Ferguson?

I wouldn't get carried away with what he's done at Braga you know. Its a poor league and there's only a few decent teams. Braga finished 4th, 4th, 3rd in the 3 seasons before he took over, and finished 4th and 4th under him. So he's done average. Sheffield Wednesday I agree he did an excellent job. Swansea after though again average. Then he was managing some no-mark Portugese 2nd division team.

Maybe its us being 2nd at Christmas, maybe its fans ridiculous expectation levels, but 8th is an excellent showing for Rovers and I'm consistently baffled when its described as not good enough. I'd bet good money we won't match it next season.

At Norwich, Farke signed 46 players down as "undisclosed" on Wikipedia, I can't be bothered finding out their actual prices (did enough of that in mine and Marlow Rover's marathon dissection of Bowyer's reign). Suffice to say I'm sure he spent a LOT more than £15m. And even if that was funded from player sales, Venkys holding onto the Armstrong money indicates he wouldn't get that here.

MK Dons finished 13th in League 1 the season before Manning arrived, and 1 point off automatic promotion this season. Just basing it on that but not a bad start to management.

 

[Chaddyrovers]

wouldn't get carried away with what he's done at Braga you know. Its a poor league and there's only a few decent teams. Braga finished 4th, 4th, 3rd in the 3 seasons before he took over, and finished 4th and 4th under him. So he's done average.

Time you deeper into his time there and look how well they have done in Europe, good tactically and he bought through 17 players into the first team from their academy.

Maybe its us being 2nd at Christmas, maybe its fans ridiculous expectation levels, but 8th is an excellent showing for Rovers and I'm consistently baffled when its described as not good enough. I'd bet good money we won't match it next season

Lack of ambition here again from Rovers fans and you seem more than happy with mid table championship mediocre for more season.

After being 2nd on 8th February and failing to get at least playoff place by end of the season is a massive failing and Mowbray was the main reason for it. For his refusal and stubborn to adapt his tactics and style of play.

At Norwich, Farke signed 46 players down as "undisclosed" on Wikipedia, I can't be bothered finding out their actual prices (did enough of that in mine and Marlow Rover's marathon dissection of Bowyer's reign). Suffice to say I'm sure he spent a LOT more than £15m. And even if that was funded from player sales, Venkys holding onto the Armstrong money indicates he wouldn't get that here.

Farke didn't sign the players at Norwich as he was head coach there and the Sporting Director Stuart Webber signed them. That's how a Sporting director head coach model works so you are failing to understand the model Rovers want to bring in here.

Mowbray had more than backing here to achieve promotion or playoff place in 4 years here at Championship level. I'm pleased he's gone tbh.

Armstrong's money has gone to cover this season money losses

 

[Chaddyrovers]

I'm waiting to be surprised about our new manager but imo it's 4/1 against us improving on last season and who we had as Manager. An unnecessary gamble is my opinion on all this.
Some Managers suit certain clubs and others suit different clubs. History is littered with poor Managerial choices.....
Rem when Burnley nearly went out of the League (and existence) by appointing a cheque book Charlie in John Bond?
Rem when we were relegated after binning off the 'perfect fit' in Allardyce?
Almost relegated by John Williams foolishly believing that Ince was the new Mark Hughes?
Watford binned off Dyche in favour of Zola!
Leeds and Brian Clough?

Big clubs can usually survive a bad choice of Manager, poor clubs usually get relegated.

Lacking ambition to even wanting to get promotion for BRFC. You are happy mid table championship.

Mowbray deserved to be let go. He had 4 years to gey promotion and he failed simple as.

Time to bring in a head coach who can get a promotion within 2 seasons. No more excuses

 

[tonygreenbank]

Lacking ambition to even wanting to get promotion for BRFC. You are happy mid table championship.

Mowbray deserved to be let go. He had 4 years to gey promotion and he failed simple as.

Time to bring in a head coach who can get a promotion within 2 seasons. No more excuses

With respect Chaddy this “ not wanting promotion and happy to be Championship midtable” response is becoming rather tiresome. Every Rovers fan wants promotion. Tony Mowbray wanted promotion. We only just failed to make the playoffs by the slenderest of margins.
I’m sure our next manager wants promotion.
Our owners I’m sure want promotion but my worry is have they got the ability to pick the right candidate who can achieve this and will they provide the financial backing for their man?

 

[Drog]

Lacking ambition to even wanting to get promotion for BRFC. You are happy mid table championship.

Mowbray deserved to be let go. He had 4 years to gey promotion and he failed simple as.

Time to bring in a head coach who can get a promotion within 2 seasons. No more excuses

C'mon Chaddy, learn from the lessons of history. Every time we've sacked a safe pair of hands since the venkys came we've been relegated within two years. You are certainly an optimist whereas I prefer to adopt the stance and view the overall situation as a realist.

 

[Dunnfc]

Time you deeper into his time there and look how well they have done in Europe, good tactically and he bought through 17 players into the first team from their academy.



Lack of ambition here again from Rovers fans and you seem more than happy with mid table championship mediocre for more season.

After being 2nd on 8th February and failing to get at least playoff place by end of the season is a massive failing and Mowbray was the main reason for it. For his refusal and stubborn to adapt his tactics and style of play.



Farke didn't sign the players at Norwich as he was head coach there and the Sporting Director Stuart Webber signed them. That's how a Sporting director head coach model works so you are failing to understand the model Rovers want to bring in here.

Mowbray had more than backing here to achieve promotion or playoff place in 4 years here at Championship level. I'm pleased he's gone tbh.

Armstrong's money has gone to cover this season money losses

How many players like Zimmerman, Vrancic, Trybull, Stiepermann, Hernandez, Leitner, Srbeny - That in the 17-18 season came from Germany. As if Webber had a clue about these players. Vrancic and Leitner from Dortmund, Farke was previously coaching there.

18-19 Season saw Buendia, Hanley McClean and Pukki arrive, now they look like Webbers players, also saw Passlack from Dortmund arrive on loan, Heise and Franke from Germany and they look like Farke players.

In 19-20 Josip Drmic arrived from Monchengladbach, also Lukas Rupp from Hooffenheim, McCallam was signed from Coventry which looks a webber developmental player alongside some kids that summer.

20-21 Sinani came from luxenbourg, Soto from Hannover which look like farke players and the others Kieren Dowell, Jordan Hugill, Bali Mamba from sunderland academy, riley from bolton academy, nyland from villa look like webber players.

Mixed bag but its facetious to suggest farke signed no players.

 

[Dunnfc]

Farke been offered 1 million a year to coach us and a huge promotion bonus.

 

[khmerblue]

20 k a week buys you Ainsworth not Farke

 

[Dunnfc]

20 k a week buys you Ainsworth not Farke

That is what they are offering, Mowbray wasn't even on that.

 

[Chaddyrovers]

With respect Chaddy this “ not wanting promotion and happy to be Championship midtable” response is becoming rather tiresome. Every Rovers fan wants promotion. Tony Mowbray wanted promotion. We only just failed to make the playoffs by the slenderest of margins.
I’m sure our next manager wants promotion.
Our owners I’m sure want promotion but my worry is have they got the ability to pick the right candidate who can achieve this and will they provide the financial backing for their man?

With all respect Tony, You wouldn't know they want Promotion from their posts

This season we should have got at least playoff place and it was unacceptable Mowbray we didn't and he deserved to be let go

C'mon Chaddy, learn from the lessons of history. Every time we've sacked a safe pair of hands since the venkys came we've been relegated within two years. You are certainly an optimist whereas I prefer to adopt the stance and view the overall situation as a realist.

Sam Allardyce was rightly sacked IMO cos I had enough of him and his tactics plus the fact he wanted out our club that summer for a move to a middle east club didn't sit well with me. Bowyer should have done much better in the second season here and Mowbray should have got a playoff place with the squad we had in season 20/21 and last season after being second in the league on the 8th of February. IMO, it was totally unacceptable we didn't finish top 6

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

Lack of ambition here again from Rovers fans and you seem more than happy with mid table championship mediocre for more season.

After being 2nd on 8th February and failing to get at least playoff place by end of the season is a massive failing and Mowbray was the main reason for it. For his refusal and stubborn to adapt his tactics and style of play.

I know neither of us will budge an inch on this, but to reiterate my past posts, fans demanding a higher league position than the club's resources indicate we should finish is meaningless posturing, not ambition.

Ambition is changing your club's resources so that you'd expect to finish higher. Venkys are already doing that because our wage bill should be half of what it is to financially break even and stop our club debt mounting. By the size of the club, town, fanbase and attendances, by our actual revenue, we should probably be in League 1.

But because Venkys have our wage bill at £25m instead of £10-15m, we've averaged mid-table Championship under Mowbray. The fact that even that isn't good enough indicates the utter delusion among much of our fanbase. Its not ambition if the local chippy keeps demanding they break into the FTSE 100, its madness.

 

[Chaddyrovers]

How many players like Zimmerman, Vrancic, Trybull, Stiepermann, Hernandez, Leitner, Srbeny - That in the 17-18 season came from Germany. As if Webber had a clue about these players. Vrancic and Leitner from Dortmund, Farke was previously coaching there.

18-19 Season saw Buendia, Hanley McClean and Pukki arrive, now they look like Webbers players, also saw Passlack from Dortmund arrive on loan, Heise and Franke from Germany and they look like Farke players.

In 19-20 Josip Drmic arrived from Monchengladbach, also Lukas Rupp from Hooffenheim, McCallam was signed from Coventry which looks a webber developmental player alongside some kids that summer.

20-21 Sinani came from luxenbourg, Soto from Hannover which look like farke players and the others Kieren Dowell, Jordan Hugill, Bali Mamba from sunderland academy, riley from bolton academy, nyland from villa look like webber players.

Mixed bag but its facetious to suggest farke signed no players.

Webber knew the Germany market from his days at Huddersfield where he appoint David Wagner and within 18 months got promotion. Then he moved on to Norwich and went and hired Daniel farle

Farke been offered 1 million a year to coach us and a huge promotion bonus.

Sounds like the owners will back the new manager.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

Sam Allardyce was rightly sacked IMO cos I had enough of him and his tactics plus the fact he wanted out our club that summer for a move to a middle east club didn't sit well with me. Bowyer should have done much better in the second season here and Mowbray should have got a playoff place with the squad we had in season 20/21 and last season after being second in the league on the 8th of February. IMO, it was totally unacceptable we didn't finish top 6

Sacrilege !

Big Sam was an excellent manager . He maintained Premier League football for the Rovers , something we’re now absolutely desperate to achieve and what thanks did we give him ? Many supporters booed him and the club sacked him - talk about lack of ambition and overblown entitlement !

I enjoyed his football probably more than any other manager we’ve had since Mark Hughes . I loved the way he got under the skin of of the foreign football intelligentsia . A joy to watch , much better than the mind numbing, sideways , possession at all costs football imported from the continent . Boring !!!

To be fair I didn’t know he wanted out to the Middle East , but if we’re going to sack a manager for that reason , Dalglish should have been potted because he wanted to go back to Liverpool half way through his contract . That was terrible disloyalty to Uncle Jack , but that’s football for you .

UTR

 

[Dunnfc]

Sacrilege !

Big Sam was an excellent manager . He maintained Premier League football for the Rovers , something we’re now absolutely desperate to achieve and what thanks did we give him ? Many supporters booed him and the club sacked him - talk about lack of ambition and entitlement !

I enjoyed his football probably more than any other manager we’ve had since Mark Hughes . I loved the way he got under the skin of of the foreign football intelligentsia . A joy to watch .

To be fair I didn’t know he wanted out to the Middle East , but if we’re going to sack a manager for that reason , Dalglish should have been potted because he wanted to go back to Liverpool half way through his contract . That was terrible disloyalty to Uncle Jack , but that’s football for you .

UTR

Bang on

Another name I heard mentioned to me yesterday was Michael Beale, Ex Chelsea Liverpool Youth Coach, Now at Villa as First team coach but was also at Rangers as a coach with Gerrard.

Might be to do with the DoF model.

 

[Dunnfc]

Webber knew the Germany market from his days at Huddersfield where he appoint David Wagner and within 18 months got promotion. Then he moved on to Norwich and went and hired Daniel farle



Sounds like the owners will back the new manager.

Course he did pal.

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

Sam Allardyce was rightly sacked IMO cos I had enough of him and his tactics plus the fact he wanted out our club that summer for a move to a middle east club didn't sit well with me.

Well, thats the reason:

1. Our annual revenue is £15m instead of £130m.
2. Our crowds are 13,000 instead of 25,000.
3. Our squad is mostly free/under-£1m transfers and academy players, instead of full internationals.
4. It'll likely take decades to get into the PL again by luck, and when we do it'll only be for 1 season. Rather than being established there in mid-table.
5. The Aqueduct, the Manxman, the Infirmary etc shut down.

All because of "hoofball" moaning Rightly sacked? Worst decision in Rovers history.

 

[steve w]

Well, thats the reason:

1. Our annual revenue is £15m instead of £130m.
2. Our crowds are 13,000 instead of 25,000.
3. Our squad is mostly free/under-£1m transfers and academy players, instead of full internationals.
4. It'll likely take decades to get into the PL again by luck, and when we do it'll only be for 1 season. Rather than being established there in mid-table.
5. The Aqueduct, the Manxman, the Infirmary etc shut down.

All because of "hoofball" moaning Rightly sacked? Worst decision in Rovers history.

Well we are poles apart on TM but I 100% agree that the sacking of Big Sam is without doubt one of the worst decisions in our history.
Losing Williams, Finn, Goodman et al runs it close but it was all part of the same process.

Venkys ownership is top of the list for me - but in fairness - our owners wanted to sell and Venkys made the offer, chatted shit - like new owners do (Burnley fans will soon realise that too) and we sold to them
Nobody could have foreseen the degree of the slow, total destruction that has followed.

This story is not going to have a happy end!!

 

[Drog]

This story is not going to have a happy end!!

I'd agree unfortunately. Meanwhile chaddy appears to be thinking that he can win a grand prix race with a rally car.